Wheel of Time series

In the Silmarillion a brother and sister marry. It does not end well.

Mudcrush Durtfeet said:

In the Silmarillion a brother and sister marry. It does not end well.

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Tolkein just wanted to remind everyone that he read the Norse Poetic and Prose Eddas when hew was 17. A brother and Sister marry in Heinlein and that ended fabbo. I'd give a solid slver penny to read unexpurgated Heinlein - there was an SF author into weird and interesting sexual situatiions - there is no such thing as unexpergated or bowderlized Tolkein just edits by Christopher Tolkein to make a couple of bucks for the Estate. As for Robert Jordan who the fuck knows - or cares after the sixth or seventh book.

Terry Goodkind is definitely a special human being that's for sure. But that weird football like game he created was so fun to read haha.

If you want a book to bludgeon you over the head with the author’s political stance over and over and over again, sword of truth is for you. Oh and a main character whose power is literally “you can use magic but it only happens when you need it to advance the plot of the story”.

Plus Terry Goodkind is a megacunt. And Tad is on drugs

That said, the political stuff does make Sword of Truth a fascinating sort of trainwreck. Especially since it wasn't until the halfway point of the series that he really committed to using the books to proselytize for sucking Ayn Rand's metaphorical dick, and he had already established things in the first half of the series--back when he was mostly just trying to write a fantasy series--that actively contradicted Objectivism. Watching him scramble to deal with that was fun.

Randin said:

That said, the political stuff does make Sword of Truth a fascinating sort of trainwreck. Especially since it wasn't until the halfway point of the series that he really committed to using the books to proselytize for sucking Ayn Rand's metaphorical dick, and he had already established things in the first half of the series--back when he was mostly just trying to write a fantasy series--that actively contradicted Objectivism. Watching him scramble to deal with that was fun.

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Goodkind does not like his works of art to be called fantasy

First of all, I don't write fantasy. I write stories that have important human themes. They have elements of romance, history, adventure, mystery and philosophy. Most fantasy is one-dimensional. It's either about magic or a world-building. I don't do either.

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Except for when his writing is just so good that it is fantasy and lifts the whole genre up

What I have done with my work has irrevocably changed the face of fantasy. In so doing I've raised the standards. I have not only injected thought into a tired empty genre, but, more importantly, I've transcended it showing what more it can be-and in so doing spread my readership to completely new groups who don't like and wont ready typical fantasy. Agents and editors are screaming for more books like mine

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Oh, and while I didn’t think the first book was that bad (a bit rapey perhaps), this synopsis had me rolling

Underground Reading: Wizard's First Rule by Terry Goodkind

I'd be curious to see what happens if someone just read the 1st book, and the last book of series.

Blitz said:

The Eye Of The World

$2.99 Kindle version currently.

How long are these books good for? Seems like a really solid series, according to a few people I have spoken to.

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People shit on the series but there's more good than bad. The 3 main protagonists are good and there's plenty of good shit that happens. That being said, especially in the middle books, there's need for better editing. Books 7-11 should probably be 3 or 4 books instead of 5. The Sanderson stuff is almost completely the other direction in that he wrapped things up maybe too fast and his take on some of the characters, particularly Mat seemed off but mostly he concluded the series satisfactorily. It's worth reading through.

wormie said:

Winters heart was the death of these books for me. Could not get past it.

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Winter's Heart and Crossroads right after it were definitely the low point of the series. Faile and way too much Camelyn shit.

Right, those two books are awful. Not as bad on reread, just skip the shitty character chapters.

Overall I would still recommend reading the series. It’s a good bit of world building and some good characters and plot lines. The main problem is there are awful characters and pointless plot lines that take over the middle part of the series.

Also I hate the semi cliffhanger ending of the series.

Ritley said:

Right, those two books are awful. Not as bad on reread, just skip the shitty character chapters.

Overall I would still recommend reading the series. It’s a good bit of world building and some good characters and plot lines. The main problem is there are awful characters and pointless plot lines that take over the middle part of the series.

Also I hate the semi cliffhanger ending of the series.

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Yeah, I mean the Faile shit and the Camelyn shit could have been a handful of chapters instead of like half those 2 books.

I hated Winters Heart the first time through. However, I've grown to like it more on rereads. Crossroads of Twilight can eat a dick though. Knife of Dreams was another hard book to get through at first, but its not so bad now.

I somewhat enjoyed Winter's Heart. It had more going for it than Path of Daggers. Crossroads of Twilight is the worst book I've ever read, though, so fucking pointless. Knife of Dreams was actually pretty good, which is a shame because it gave me hope for the end of the series, but I found Sanderson's ghostwriting to be mostly mediocre. I forced myself to read just to finish the story.