Where are the Euro style MMORPGs lately?

It seems like everything made in the past few years is Asian Or scifi themed.

What happened to the Euro-midevil style themed MMORPGs like Everquest? The only new one I can think of is Richard Garriott's game. I tried it, and honestly, meh.

I just can't get in to the action-based MMORPGs they keep pushing out where your character does fifty flips in the air while screaming in an Asian girls voice killing tons of mindless monsters. It's shallow game play at its finest.

I like dwarves, elves, gnomes, and halflings.

I enjoy spending an evening killing mobs in a mine shaft and working on my harvesting.

I prefer focusing on one to two mobs at a time and it taking 1/2 to 1 minute to finish A fight.

Is there anything out there for old farts like me anymore?

Ukerric_sl said:

So basically, you're looking for:

- A Dungeons&Dragons classical interpretation (or their remote descendants)
- With a focus on strategical/tactical combat rather than action combat
- And, what? Solo? (you seemed to imply solo camping and harvesting)

Then there's nothing. Probably not even in the indy scene.

One of the big problem is that, if you're going to the solo route (or offer a lot of solo stuff), then it's immensely better to offer action-based combat rather than tactical/strategic because slow-paced combat when you're alone is immensely boring. The EQ-style of combat you seem to be looking for is suited for group/social group settings in which you want/need to chat during combat. If you're going to solo camp your mineshaft or make your way to the next wood grove to harvest, it's not that good.

WoW-style rotation is probably the best compromise you can have between action-y combat for solo stuff and some tactical choices for group longer fights. But it's still primarily oriented for solo/"grouped solo" combat style.

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Your analysis is pretty spot on, but I think I miss represented one thing. The solo part is just for when I'm feeling anti social or wanting to do something while watching TV. I would expect the good loot drops to only drop from group content.

Sylas_sl said:

If you didn't have the no Asians clause and some perverse aversion to action games black desert fulfills all your other desires. It's even euro style midieval fantasy based. But its made by asians

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People read way too much in to what others write. I'm not against Asian themed games not an I against action games. I'm just saying that seems to be the only things being made lately.

I don't really see Black Desert as being Euro style. Maybe I'm wrong, but I see Euro styled MMORPGs as having gnomes, dwarves, and elves that can be wizards, necromancers, Paladins, Fallen Paladins (shadow Knights), warriors, rogues, and clerics.

Plus people seem to act like non-action based MMORPGs some how provide no challenge and just boring game play. I argue that having to manage what spells/abilities you use, when you use them, and how often you use them in differing scenarios is more fun than bashing the same five keys over and over in action-based games. Is there really that much challenge in hitting dodge, attack, Dodge, attack?

I'm know I'm rambling on at this point, but there is one more thing. I believe that game designers have forgotten the most important part of MMORPGs; the characters. The whole point of an RPG is character development. The character you play is supposed to learn and grow throughout their experiences. Therefore, a level 50 warrior should mitigate damage better because the character has developed those skills over time. By making the MMORPGs action -based, the character is only as good as the person playing the character at any given time. Therefore, the character has not developed. The player has. That's fine for an action game, but that is directly in contrast with the basic fundamentals of an RPG. They should call them MMOGs rather than MMORPGs. They should be considered a completely different genre of game.