Why did Rift fail?

Rift lol

Only two starting areas made it really boring for me, I enjoy replaying with multiple characters.

NativityInBlack_sl said:

Only two starting areas made it really boring for me, I enjoy replaying with multiple characters.

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Oh yeah, the races were bland as fuck too.

there were a couple of cool rifts i remember: the first was the original fire super boss rift you had to summon and shit, I don't remember why but it pretty goddamn hard and fun. The second was a few of the really epic random-o ones, like the caravan in Tatooine that required you to escort a bunch of caravans through some crazy elite gank squads, and which led to two or three mega bosses. They had some really cool rifts, but ultimately fell to the same problem: once you do it a few times, you stop caring and when enough people stop caring to go to the rifts they become impossible to do. a shitty problem for devs; make it too easy and its dumb, make it too hard and almost nobody does it.

Eorkern_sl said:

Because it sucked.

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I remember in beta i was in gloamwood and 2 things happened.

1. The evil side came to play there was massive pvp happening

2. there was a HUGE ass invasion at the same time.. warewolf party

I probably still have screenshots somewhere on my box but man that was an awesome time, i was hiding in a tree or on a building picking things off from above for most of it until they found me.

The game was horrible from the start, you could tell it was a failure before it even launched.

Horrible combat, animations that were laughable and the races were lazy. Human, Taller blue human, fat human and short human? What is this? You mean out of all the different races in the entire world of myth you choose these? I mean, come on, you have a fresh game with all new lore and this is what we get? On top of that the world was really small and very linear, wasn't it something like half the size of vanilla wow? Maybe less.

Rift failed because MMOs are fucking horrible.

The animations were horrid. Women ran like dudes. Uninstalled.

Rift never failed and is still going strong. They're releasing a second expansion in the spring. Most of the problems people brought up in the thread have been adressed: Rifts are meaningful, multiple specs viable for each calling, Attack power scaling (pretty soon after release), Ascended/Defiants unified, few macros needed, etc

Races are still bland as shit and range from fat human to short human to skinny feminine human. I also never played much WoW so the similarities don't bother me so much.

where are you playing im bored and ill probably start up see if a few friends from work want to.

About 2 months ago I got an email from an old friend saying that he and a few of my old gang were playing Rift again. I DLed, installed, saw that I had to redo 50someodd points into a spec tree, googled specs for 5 minutes, camped and uninstalled. Couldn't be bothered.

an accordion_sl said:

Oh yeah, the races were bland as fuck too.

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Everythingwas bland as fuck. It was Store Brand?, the MMO.

Official rift forums are only place to go for specs as everything else is runs the risk of being pretty dated. Honestly, going full into any non heal/non tank spec is viable for leveling and getting up to 60. If you enjoyed Rift when it was released I'd definitely recommend giving it a shot again.

If you're just sick of wow style games though, then it's not for you.

I think Rift fizzled out because it was built way too conservatively. Loot was over cautious and boring. Classes were way too similar with a focus on allowing everyone to do everything and then nerfing it down. Rifts were briefly fun in beta, then tuned down to a snoozefest again for release. Their talent system likewise was just really Zzz. Add 1% to critical damage! Way to add the sexy there, guys.

They didn't aim for the fences, they took a nice safe single and were happy to go home with it. Regurgitated game designers from mediocre MMOs who took the safest and simplest path is why Rift didn't do much for me.

Looking back, the coolest thing rift did was Saboteaurs (Nerfed to shit later of course because there is no fun allowed) and chloromancers. So 2 cool classes out of like 50. Great job!

To me the things that need to really die in the MMOG plane are Talent Trees, Hard Coded Factions, and ability bloat and reading this it seems Rift really failed at not only copying them, but making them worse...

Just imagine if instead of Rift having 3 vertical talent trees, they actually used a radial design. Instead of 8? tiers of vertical rows, they squished it down to like 5 broadened it out a bit. Then you design the soul system so that each soul sat on the point of a triangle and the trees went around on a curve thus you could bridge across souls horizontally instead of just going vertical in each one from the bottom.

That would of been the bestest. Then you could toss in quests, gear, thing-a-majigs that allowed you to equip extra souls.

Oh then you can release expansions with additional new "mini" souls that you can equip outside that ring of the core 3 souls.

OMG all of the sudden you have an awesome system like POE but those mini souls are things you collect from the game. Then you can design souls and release them constantly like MOBAs release champs/heroes because they aren't full classes... !

Or god forbid they sell them in a cash shop.

Trion are you listening to me? Hire me and I'll design the system for you.