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Sutekh

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Soccer has plenty of huddles too. It's when they are constantly falling down faking injury so the guy can run off the sidelines and use the magic squirt bottle and spray on them. Might as well run commercials during that shit.
It's funny because it's true. Soccer fans like to take shots at Football players because they "need breaks" in between plays but if you actually watch a Soccer player, like focus on one person throughout the course of a game? I'd say probably 75% of that guy's time is spent lazily jogging back and forth or on the ground.
 

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Quineloe, which team do you follow? just curiosity....
Nuremberg.

"Violence" is not part of the game, nor is it endorsed. There are some dumb people who say fighting is part of the game, but they are wrong. The physicality of the game is part of the excitement, and that's what pads and helmets are for.
I've seen so many videos of players throwing down their sticks and then beating each other with their fists. The referees stand by and watch it for a few seconds before they stop them. Can you explain that to me? The first part looks like it's part of it, the second part looks like endorsement to me.

at least those "faggot floppers" get yellow carded if caught.
 

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"Violence" is not part of the game, nor is it endorsed. There are some dumb people who say fighting is part of the game, but they are wrong. The physicality of the game is part of the excitement, and that's what pads and helmets are for.
Maybe i'm wrong, but the majority of americans and canadians think that hockey should be played with agression and violence. I realize that when i see the Olympic Games and there is a huge difference between NA teams and european teams.
Plus those punchouts between 2 players, in NA, the referee only break up when someone goes down and i think in Europe, that shit never happens. I know it's to entertain but ffs -.-'

You can correct me if i am wrong ( most probably lol) . I only know hockey through EA NHL games, some NHL games, some european league games and the olympic games :p
 

Sutekh

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Nuremberg.



I've seen so many videos of players throwing down their sticks and then beating each other with their fists. The referees stand by and watch it for a few seconds before they stop them. Can you explain that to me? The first part looks like it's part of it, the second part looks like endorsement to me.
Some refs allow players to punch each other a couple times to let out frustration rather than causing a serious injury via a check later on. It would be like if someone made like a really brutal slide tackle and then the players put on boxing gloves and punched each other a couple times instead of someone getting angry and ending another player's career with retaliation.

Maybe i'm wrong, but the majority of americans and canadians think that hockey should be played with agression and violence. I realize that when i see the Olympic Games and there is a huge difference between NA teams and european teams.
Plus those punchouts between 2 players, in NA, the referee only break up when someone goes down and i think in Europe, that shit never happens. I know it's to entertain but ffs -.-'

You can correct me if i am wrong ( most probably lol) . I only know hockey through EA NHL games, some NHL games, some european league games and the olympic games :p
The difference here being aggression and violence are a part of the game, checks, fighting for the puck, etc. Not punching each other in the face.
 

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Maybe i'm wrong, but the majority of americans and canadians think that hockey should be played with agression and violence. I realize that when i see the Olympic Games and there is a huge difference between NA teams and european teams.
Fighting is prohibited in international hockey, which is why you don't see it at the olympics.
 

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Nuremberg.



I've seen so many videos of players throwing down their sticks and then beating each other with their fists. The referees stand by and watch it for a few seconds before they stop them. Can you explain that to me? The first part looks like it's part of it, the second part looks like endorsement to me.

at least those "faggot floppers" get yellow carded if caught.
Hockey players are penalized for fighting. Also those faggot floppers almost never get carded even when it's painfully obvious.
 

Abefroman

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Make no mistake the NHL does endorse fighting by doing nothing about it. I still would rather have fighting then the european faggotry of using their sticks as weapons. The NHL and Soccer could both eliminate the bullshit like fighting and flopping if they wanted to. For some reason they just let that shit continue.
 

Sutekh

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Hockey players are penalized for fighting. Also those faggot floppers almost never get carded even when it's painfully obvious.
Well as standard with most Soccer matches, which ever mafia/drug lord that has bribed the officials for that game will have the faggot floppers of the other team carded and not the one they're supporting.
 

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I'd say probably 75% of that guy's time is spent lazily jogging back and forth or on the ground.
That's just a cheap shot. A typical player may easily run over 10 miles every 90 minutes soccer on average, whereas in NFL you barely scratch 1 mile over your 3 hours match. How the hell is it a negative that a guy has to jog around his positional areas instead of sprinting? What Abefroman references is that in the intense heat of some parts of Brazil, they actually do take a couple of water breaks during parts of the match. Extremely rare cases because of the extreme weather.
 

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My problem with the entertainment value of soccer is that the ball-handling just isnt up to the level of skill needed to keep my interest. There are, in principle, tactics and strategy in soccer, but in practice there's far too much randomness in where the ball goes for too much of the play to actually implement those tactics beyond a rudimentary level. Sure, there are times when one guy has firm control of the ball and is personally moving it forward and having to beat defenders where skill is certainly evident and its exciting, but as soon as the ball starts trying to move from player to player accuracy and coordination drops drastically and it becomes so very much more of a random-flailing crapshoot, and thats just frustrating to watch for me, rather than entertaining. In the end, for me, there's no more exciting play per match than in a US football game, but at least in football you know when to watch, while in soccer you have to pay attention through all the boring and frustrating bits to have a shot at seeing the good bits. Its the same thing that makes baseball reasonably watchable for me- overall its not a fast game, but you know when to watch to extract maximum value from it.

Soccer is fun to play, but not to watch, for me. Same with basketball. Rugby is the best game to watch, for me. More action, more effective skill-on-skill time game etc, for me. In all games being there in person vastly changes the experience, of course.
 

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Considering that American Football isn't played outside of US/Canada, and regular Football is played EVERYWHERE... I think that is a pretty damning judgement on standing around vs passing a ball. Especially when you consider how widespread other parts of American culture are and it being advertised in every movie/tv show.

I'm glad that the USA team is getting the recognition it deserves, a tournament or two ago they got quite far and it was hearthbreaking to see nobody give a shit. Seems pretty obvious that Football is going to quickly grow in the USA, meanwhile American Football has no hope as everyone just takes a look at armourless Rugby and laughs at you.

If you want a successful American sport on par with Football, I think that only Basketball has potential. I don't understand the critisisms when you have Hockey which is exactly same thing with sticks.
 

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Considering that American Football isn't played outside of US/Canada, and regular Football is played EVERYWHERE... I think that is a pretty damning judgement on standing around vs passing a ball. Especially when you consider how widespread other parts of American culture are and it being advertised in every movie/tv show.
That has nothing to do with the lack of popularity of Football outside the U.S. It has everything to do with economics. Any broke ass mulignan can kick a ball around and play soccer to some degree. You need a fuck ton of money to pick up Football.
 

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My problem with the entertainment value of soccer is that the ball-handling just isnt up to the level of skill needed to keep my interest. There are, in principle, tactics and strategy in soccer, but in practice there's far too much randomness in where the ball goes for too much of the play to actually implement those tactics beyond a rudimentary level. Sure, there are times when one guy has firm control of the ball and is personally moving it forward and having to beat defenders where skill is certainly evident and its exciting, but as soon as the ball starts trying to move from player to player accuracy and coordination drops drastically and it becomes so very much more of a random-flailing crapshoot, and thats just frustrating to watch for me, rather than entertaining. In the end, for me, there's no more exciting play per match than in a US football game, but at least in football you know when to watch, while in soccer you have to pay attention through all the boring and frustrating bits to have a shot at seeing the good bits. Its the same thing that makes baseball reasonably watchable for me- overall its not a fast game, but you know when to watch to extract maximum value from it.

Soccer is fun to play, but not to watch, for me. Same with basketball. Rugby is the best game to watch, for me. More action, more effective skill-on-skill time game etc, for me. In all games being there in person vastly changes the experience, of course.
Rugby is indeed an excellent sport. Probably the best, hence my name. A violent game played by large gentlemen.

Also @Chris, I happen to agree - basketball is the only game with a global appeal.
 

Sutekh

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That's just a cheap shot. A typical player may easily run over 10 miles every 90 minutes soccer on average, whereas in NFL you barely scratch 1 mile over your 3 hours match. How the hell is it a negative that a guy has to jog around his positional areas instead of sprinting? What Abefroman references is that in the intense heat of some parts of Brazil, they actually do take a couple of water breaks during parts of the match. Extremely rare cases because of the extreme weather.
The typical player does not EASILY run over 10 miles every 90 minutes. The average player doesn't even come close to 10 miles every 90 minutes. In-fact the average that is found in most studies is half that. It's hard to exaggerate that kind of metric when we're talking on the internet and someone can just google the response in <1 minute. Either way, it was meant in a response that try to claim one sport's more physically demanding than the other based on their interest. I know it takes a lot of endurance to run around in Soccer, I've played with friends before and I get winded from it. I'm not a push over when it comes to distance running as my normal exercise 3 times a week is running a little over a 5k.

Chris_sl said:
Considering that American Football isn't played outside of US/Canada, and regular Football is played EVERYWHERE... I think that is a pretty damning judgement on standing around vs passing a ball. Especially when you consider how widespread other parts of American culture are and it being advertised in every movie/tv show
Who cares where it's played? It's popular in our country and we're segregated from the rest of the world due to oceans. Just because Soccer's played in some broke ass African country doesn't mean it somehow gets more credibility as a sport. As far as Football not being recognized other places in the world? Don't look now but they might be adding an NFL team to England soon.

The global appeal to basketball is BORING in the USA because we just absolutely fucking dominate anyone around if we want to. Watching Lebron, Kobe, D Wade and company destroy some poor little white boy from Russia is more boring than watching someone kick a ball around mid-field.
 

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I'd bet everything I own on Suarez joining Barcelona this Summer. LFC are now being linked with too many players to suggest otherwise. They are pre-emptively spending the Suarez cash
 

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Considering that American Football isn't played outside of US/Canada, and regular Football is played EVERYWHERE... I think that is a pretty damning judgement on standing around vs passing a ball. Especially when you consider how widespread other parts of American culture are and it being advertised in every movie/tv show.
This has nothing to do with a judgement of the sport and everything to do with equipment costs and the British bringing soccer with them everywhere they went in the colonial days.
 

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What does that have to do with the Superbowl and who watches it in the UK? Why are you arguing with a UK resident about the status of NFL here?

The only people that watch the Superbowl are students and people that don't have work the next day.

You do know that the capacity of Wembley is 90k and according to your own link, the NFL games have got around 82-83k? Sell out? How about you learn to read first?

That article also says that the games aren't even broadcast in all parts of the USA, which probably implies they're irrelevant and meaningless to the regular season.

According to these two threads2013 UK TV Ratings - NFL UK ForumsWWE UK viewing figures - Wrestling Forum : WWE, TNA, Debate League, Wrestling Videos, Women of Wrestling ForumsWWE pulls in bigger audiences than the NFL.

I'm not going to debate this further with someone of no knowledge of the situation. NFL will never ever be front page news in this Country and it will never displace football from the sports pages.

I asked this earlier, but I really don't know why Americans feel so threatened by the WC that they have to come here and try and declare the dominance.