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Mist

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The funny thing is, the original Cosby allegations/investigation were in 2005. By 2013, most normal people had totally forgotten about it, until new allegations surfaced in 2015. They really did go out of their way to own themselves, by making a meme out of an 8-year old scandal, inserting themselves into the meme, only to have the meme return to relevance soon afterwards.
 

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I think a good chunk of Asmon's chat is really young. He mentioned how in the past people used to say "we raped that raid boss" or something to that effect in gaming and how it was used in a different context, and tons of people in chat were like "omg, I've never heard such a thing!". No shit, because probably 50% or more of that chat is probably under the age of 20 and their first video game system was probably a Gamecube or PS3/PS4.
We used to use the term RAPE in many contexts like for instance "Man, I just RAPED that fucking sanwich" It wasnt something you heard often, but it was used.
 

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Name an instant of assault charges being filed against anyone named in the lawsuit?
None have been. The lawsuit isn't against any individuals, it's against the corporation for allowing a culture of shittiness towards women to go on uncontested, over a very long period of time, and all the circumstantial evidence we've seen so far points in that direction. Civil cases only have to be a "preponderance of evidence," aka they only have to prove that it is more than 50% likely that the company is responsible for the alleged harassment being allowed to continue.

Gonna be a really hard case to fight against. Blizzard better just come out and settle ASAP.
 

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words constitute harassment. this is a civil suit regarding workplace conditions.

unwanted advances, cubicle crawling on the floor under women's desks, calling women bitches, and just the general environment. the picture corroborates the fraternity culture outlined in the suit.
All the examples in the lawsuit are out of context. We do not know anything about what actually was said or happened, and most likely will never know since this case will settled for some huge sum of money. The picture of Cosby, and the name of a hotel room are meaningless and have not led to ANY allegations of harassment / assault taking place at the Cosby Suite (to my knowledge). The Kotaku article even offers up 2 differing versions of why the picture / name was used given by those in the picture and by simps deciding to speak up now.
 

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You mean Riot won't let him go easy. He'll be subject to a few workshops, and he'll be super cautious interacting with anyone before he gets Actiblizz'd.

I think him moving to Riot /after/ their Kotaku incident years ago means he's willing to drop the Cosby Suite bullshit (which was well documented on his own Twitter about how there "always has to be a Cosby suite"), and move on with his live making actual games instead of playing office politics.

I mean the fact is he's in the Cosby suite with a big smile on his face prostrated before a photo of Bill Cosby in some kind of deification? ritual is a major L in hindsight even if it's harmless.

They need a workshop for a religious ritual involving a famous black man. It's dicey.
 

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Anyone thats been to any kind of degenerate night parade knows women are dirty little sluts and trying to white knight any situation with the cosby room is full pants on head retarded feminist propaganda.
 
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The texts/chatgroup are honestly the bigger piece of that whole Cosby Suite thing. It shows the mentality of "lets hook up with hot chicks while working", which when taken into context of all the allegations, paints a picture that confirms a general mentality that correlates with the complaints.
 

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The texts/chatgroup are honestly the bigger piece of that whole Cosby Suite thing. It shows the mentality of "lets hook up with hot chicks while working", which when taken into context of all the allegations, paints a picture that confirms a general mentality that correlates with the complaints.
Those pictures and chat are from blizzcon. Literally groupies were coming to the suite to get shit faced and fuck these guys.
 

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Yeah, they clearly forgot the whole "When you go a convention on the company dime, you're there as representatives of the company (you're not there to fuck as many fangirls as possible.)"
 
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Incoming crt quests in wow as part of conciliatory surrender to the state
They'll turn level 40 into a barrier level for humans, where you have to go on a long chain quest to understand the struggle of the orcs & trolls at the hands of the white humans, the struggle of transgender blood elfs, then acknowledge white human guilt for their suffering. Only then, you will be allowed to progress past level 40, but your stat increases are reduced by 50% relative to lesser priviledged races.
 

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You mean Riot won't let him go easy. He'll be subject to a few workshops, and he'll be super cautious interacting with anyone before he gets Actiblizz'd.

I think him moving to Riot /after/ their Kotaku incident years ago means he's willing to drop the Cosby Suite bullshit (which was well documented on his own Twitter about how there "always has to be a Cosby suite"), and move on with his live making actual games instead of playing office politics.

Rioters have already had their #MeToo moment years ago, this exact thing in fact with a different Kotaku reporter, and they made the changes internally to prevent that from happening again.

The best thing Greg could do right now is apologize and ensure the world he won't ignore predatory people he works with that are getting preyed upon by sr. management again. And hope he's not named in the lawsuit due to Facebook group chat association, because that would be games industry career-ending for him.

Notice I said people, not men or women, this isn't a sexism or racism SJW issue. I truly believe the issues with the games industry are deeper seeded than social justice. The issues are with people in power abusing their leverage over others, and those abused (whether it be sexually, physically, stereotyped, financially, quid pro quo, or otherwise) having no recourse for the misdeeds of management.

This happens in open source, in professional workplaces, in hobbies, in highschool, etc - the details don't matter much after the accused is proven guilty with sufficient evidence provided to a public display.

Here's a good example of a female employee involving a company decision that could have been made against any gender or race and was abused due to her position compared to management:

Tiggs, SWG's former CM, told me a story years ago about how she was told to lie to the SWG community on behalf of SOE so they could kill the game, as the licensing drama was becoming toxic and unsustainable for LucasArts... She refused to lie on behalf of the players, and was escorted out by a police on the request of SOE, even though she wasn't hostile or upset in the process.

It doesn't matter her gender. It matters that a person in power abused their position to exert their control over someone, to make an already shitty situation worse. I'd love to see what Raph Koster thought of that or if he even knew. I love him to death as an amazingly talented, brilliant game designer, and I'd like to hope if he knew the circumstances, what he would have done differently.
Making some form of apology would be the worst thing Greg could do for the obvious reason that regardless of what he would say it would make him look guilty for no reason, nor would such an apology be accepted. The Twitter cancel culture is simply vindictive attention seekers.
 

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In under 48 hours we should get our first "I was underage when I was brought up to the Cosby Room for some drinks but no one cared" story.
 
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They'll turn level 40 into a barrier level for humans, where you have to go on a long chain quest to understand the struggle of the orcs & trolls at the hands of the white humans, the struggle of transgender blood elfs, then acknowledge white human guilt for their suffering. Only then, you will be allowed to progress past level 40, but your stat increases are reduced by 50% relative to lesser priviledged races.
Lefties think orcs are black people so....checks out
 
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jayrebb

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Did we miss this though? The Kotaku article says Furor was fired for sexual harassment;

I saw it but just assumed everyone read it. Indeed, Blizzard confirmed Furor was fired for sexual harassment.

With the MeToo stories involving some hands going down pants, I just don't think anyone was surprised enough to highlight the confirmation from Blizzard regarding the reason for his departure.
 

Cybsled

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Those pictures and chat are from blizzcon. Literally groupies were coming to the suite to get shit faced and fuck these guys.

I know. Doesn't change my previous statement: It paints a picture of a general mentality. Unto itself it doesn't mean much, but in the context of all the other shit, it lends credence to the idea of the allegations being accurate.
 

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It's interesting that fucking consensual groupies is grounds for cancellation now, like women have no agency of their own.

I'm mostly annoyed that the game never lived up to it's potential because these guys can't be professional.