World of Warcraft: Current Year
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cabbitcabbit
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We've been pugging like 60% of our raid (we're only in heroic). Couldn't even get people to log in for Archimonde attempts.
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I won't lie, we're pretty awful about stacking groups on the rare occasions we're doing something that needs some more bodies. Roll on things we already have to trade to the people that need it. That's kind of the community the game has built though. Your guild is all that matters.
Inque
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We had a Druid who was reserving Vanq Token off Socrethar Heroic last night; Coined a Vanq Token and still kept the one that dropped in the chest. Two of us who would've rolled for it were like "uhhhh, whats up?" Raid Lead said "sorry gents, the loot rule were Vanq Token was reserved. He wants to keep it for Warforge chance," meanwhile Rogue wins Trinket and Druid goes "I will give you Vanq Token for Trinket" -- Rogue said eff off and left. Of course, they're from Ragnaros/Quel'Thelas. Build a wall, I say.
Ukerric
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At the moment, we're about at 6 steady players, with maybe 8 on raid nights. Sometimes. We're not even trying to recruit PUGs to fill up the ranks, we're probably going to go the "find a compatible guild and merge" route like during LK. The previous hiatus in MoP wasn't has harsh as this one, basically half the guild simply vanished during the summer.
Our PUGs rule have always been "full random, you want it, you /rand it, otherwise Felicia gets to dez". Says so when we advertised back before holiday on the handful of nights where the stars aligned wrong and we went below 10.
Fucking mythic 20-man shit killed this game harder than anything else, and Watcher's head is in the goddamn sand about it. Honestly, I haven't seen one blue post acknowledge the negative effects that it has had on the game in anyway shape or form. You have a group of folks who used to be able to reasonably progress through the hardest content, who now cannot because they lack the numbers to even attempt it. So now that the 15 or so of us that progressed through heroic have hit a brick wall, what incentive do we have to keep on raiding? Why would we stick around for Legion?
Rime
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Down to 6 people regularly showing up for heroics. No progress being made. Was trying to keep the guild together until Fallout 4, but I am about to just toss in the towel. Sick of pugging strangers from other servers with no hope of them turning to regulars/chance of recruiting them (Who would willingly join Horde on an Alliance dominated - 70-30 - half-dead (Low population) server?). I wish they would do more mergers or open free character transfers (never going to happen - EXTRA REVENUE STREAM!), because I will be damned if I am going to spend $100 bucks to move my guild and the characters I care about to another server.
Foggy
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How did mythic change anything? The hardest difficulty has always required a set amount of players.
Ukerric
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The problem with reducing the size of a raid is that, once you're down to 10, it's very difficult to balance stuff. With 20, you can tune stuff with the expectation that there's one of every class, one of every buff, plus competent players. If you're at 10, that's no longer true: there are 11 classes out there (soon 12), so one of them has to sit. Then, it becomes difficult to juggle stuff around, meaning the composition of raids become much more static. And that's a death spiral on the interest of raids as you need to allow more flex, which reduces difficulty, which reduces prestige, etc. Before long, Mythic has no meaning.
So yea. 20-man is probably the best format for Mythic-tuned raiding.
Alas. Maybe.
Gorehack
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10 man heroic in MoP was so much harder than 25, I think you've got it backwards.
Dandai
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Difficulty differences between raid sizes was very case by case because of the mechanics of a particular fight. More shit to avoid standing in? 10 man is easier. More shit you have to stand in to absorb? 25 man easier.
The problem is when you're dealing with those kinds of problems, it's very challenging to quantify difficulty. It's easier to say, "Heroic is now called Mythic and requires 20 raiders." I will admit that I'm surprised they opted to bump up the raid size requirements when they knew (and stated many times) that 10H was by far the most popular raid composition.
Dandai
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