World of Warcraft: Current Year

Caeden · Saturday at 6:07 PM

Haus said:
I'm pretty sure I still play WoW out of compulsive habit. Completely underwhelmed by Undermine. Paying for my sub with the fact that I play the AH as the real end game raiding in the game....

Also not really sure what I want in a persistent world game anymore....

I think I still miss the old wow but every time I dip into classic or into a private server affair, I feel hollow. It feels too temporary for me. Probably zeitgeist but wow felt like a permanent world to me circa Vanilla/TBC/Wrath back in the day. I wonder how much my age and lack of kids played into that. Now it feels like too much opportunity cost for other hobbies and games.

Neranja · Sunday at 6:20 AM

Caeden said:
Probably zeitgeist but wow felt like a permanent world to me circa Vanilla/TBC/Wrath back in the day. I wonder how much my age and lack of kids played into that. Now it feels like too much opportunity cost for other hobbies and games.

It's not only zeitgeist, but it's also that the community has deteriorated. My personal recommendations:

a) Poopsock the hell at the start of a season/expansion, to stay ahead of the curve away from the mouthbreathing masses--and hope to god you have a meta spec
b) Find likeminded individuals to play with. But this requires commitment and personal investment in other people

If you're not willing to do b) then you can't complain if everyone else treats you like an easily replaceable bot/NPC to further their own goals. This is the current state of the WoW "community".

There is a hidden third option:
c) become a twitch streamer and get carried in a parasocial relationship with your viewers. Doesn't have to be Asmongold level of fame, but you get the point.

Caeden · Sunday at 7:05 AM

Neranja said:
It's not only zeitgeist, but it's also that the community has deteriorated. My personal recommendations:

a) Poopsock the hell at the start of a season/expansion, to stay ahead of the curve away from the mouthbreathing masses--and hope to god you have a meta spec
b) Find likeminded individuals to play with. But this requires commitment and personal investment in other people

If you're not willing to do b) then you can't complain if everyone else treats you like an easily replaceable bot/NPC to further their own goals. This is the current state of the WoW "community".

There is a hidden third option:
c) become a twitch streamer and get carried in a parasocial relationship with your viewers. Doesn't have to be Asmongold level of fame, but you get the point.

I did that for Wrath classic and it held up until Ulduar then the guild fell apart due to disinterested leadership and I didn’t want that job again. That time I joined a more reasonable semi-casual to semi-hardcore raid guild. A lot never got to experience the original Wrath. So while some fights got stomped, it maybe took 5-10 attempts on some hard mode or even Yogg. Good people overall.

I primarily quit because it felt like us stomping the content was cheapening the memories I had of Day 1 type raiding with my old guild when shit hadn’t been nerfed, etc. And when certain things like the DK gargoyle shit either wasn’t known or was a bug borne out of imperfect recreation of Wrath.

Plus I got tired of leading their DPS despite playing a middling Frost DK. Which I guess tosses me into almost treating them as disposable. I just wasn’t willing to do all the stupid hoops with two characters, etc that guilds even most casual raid guilds expect.

meStevo · Wednesday at 2:38 PM

A basic rotation helper coming to the base client, as well as pulling back on capabilities of addons that rely on combat events.

Blizzard Version of Rotation Assist (Hekili) Coming to WoW in Patch 11.1.7 - WoWCast with Ion Hazzikostas

Ion Hazzikostas has announced that a rotation assistant is coming to the baseline UI in Patch 11.1.7 which will be similar to Hekili!

www.wowhead.com

Real-Time Combat Event Addons Planned to Be Restricted in Future Raid Content in WoW

In today's WoWCast, Ion Hazzikostas has announced that the plan is to create an their own Blizzard version of popular addons before pulling back real-time combat event addons in competitive content.

www.wowhead.com

Blizzard Intends to Create In-game Versions of Popular Addons Including Boss Mods, Nameplates, Damage Meters, & More

Continuing the addon philosophy announced on WoWCast with Game Director Ion Hazzikostas, Blizzard wants to build their own versions of boss mods, nameplates, and even damage meters, to give players more information within the base game.

www.wowhead.com

Furry · Wednesday at 7:51 PM

meStevo said:
A basic rotation helper coming to the base client, as well as pulling back on capabilities of addons that rely on combat events.

Blizzard Version of Rotation Assist (Hekili) Coming to WoW in Patch 11.1.7 - WoWCast with Ion Hazzikostas

Ion Hazzikostas has announced that a rotation assistant is coming to the baseline UI in Patch 11.1.7 which will be similar to Hekili!

www.wowhead.com

Real-Time Combat Event Addons Planned to Be Restricted in Future Raid Content in WoW

In today's WoWCast, Ion Hazzikostas has announced that the plan is to create an their own Blizzard version of popular addons before pulling back real-time combat event addons in competitive content.

www.wowhead.com

Blizzard Intends to Create In-game Versions of Popular Addons Including Boss Mods, Nameplates, Damage Meters, & More

Continuing the addon philosophy announced on WoWCast with Game Director Ion Hazzikostas, Blizzard wants to build their own versions of boss mods, nameplates, and even damage meters, to give players more information within the base game.

www.wowhead.com

When will they add the autoharvest? No dice if I have to play the game.

TJT · Wednesday at 8:26 PM

Hmmmmm, instead of simplifying the game by removing unnecessary complexity, let us integrate third-party addons directly into the game to help manage it.

How can you be this retarded?

Kuro · Wednesday at 8:54 PM

Finally, my party's enhancement shaman will be able to maintain buff uptime

bolok · Wednesday at 11:41 PM

TJT said:
Hmmmmm, instead of simplifying the game by removing unnecessary complexity, let us integrate third-party addons directly into the game to help manage it.

How can you be this retarded?

When their entire design paradigm is dictated by elitist jerks- there is basically no chance they will ever have be able to realize that they fundamentally ruined the game- so there is kind of no choice but for them to officially band-aid the game with crutches to staunch the bleeding from their broken designs with the masses.

Cybsled · 2025-05-01T01:48:17-0400

They're trying to cater to two different audiences

The sweaty tryhards will just do what they are doing with 50 keybinds
The super casual people who don't know wtf they are doing so they give them an "I win" button that does a suboptimal DPS rotation but still probably better than whatever they are doing now

In a tab target MMO, it is pretty hard to walk that tightrope of "not too hard for the casuals, not too simple for the l33t d00dz"

Araxen · 2025-05-01T01:59:16-0400

I've always felt if you need more than two hotbars worth of abilities the devs have failed at designing the class. Remember when we used to joke about EQ2 having too many skills/abilities well WoW has become that.

They had no problem stat squishing, level squishing. They need to do ability squishing.

Cybsled · 2025-05-01T03:09:50-0400

Merging abilities is probably better than outright deleting. Kind of like how long ago warlocks had a lot more debuff curses and Blizzard eventually just rolled a bunch of them under combined curses.

BoozeCube · 2025-05-01T11:34:05-0400

They need to fucking fire Ion like 10 years ago.

Daidraco · 2025-05-01T17:35:30-0400

Furry said:
When will they add the autoharvest? No dice if I have to play the game.

Its funny you say that. I actually had more fun when I was designing combat routines to play the game for me (and others). Topping the meters was fun for all of 5 minutes, especially when you know its not you - but the fun came from the fact that I could actually talk to people again. Was fun linking up with the same people and being able to shoot the shit with your bros and not really worry about all the BS. In that same thought pattern, I could and did talk to people in Burning Crusade and WOTLK.

We can complain about the actions per minute the game makes us have now, but I doubt itll ever go back to that bit of simplicity. I was struggling with my tankadin in higher mythic at release of this expansion (before they became meta in the next patch) and I didnt start to smooth out its gameplay until I jerked every single point out of the tree that didnt directly make me tankier and put it into defensive nodes only. Sharing dmg with a person was/is a good thought - but if its like my 16th fucking bind - fuck right off with that mess. Ill never use it, so give me 15% more damage reduction while my defensive is up.

Warmuth · 2025-05-01T23:05:35-0400

They’d rather make the game play itself than just fucking simplify the classes back to a level when there were zero problems gaining new players and retaining old ones. It’s not some big mystery why every easy to play class that does big damage/tanking/healing immediately becomes super popular. Dungeons and raids are plenty challenging on their own without the classes themselves being challenging to play correctly.

Daidraco · 2025-05-02T08:39:39-0400

We have this conversation and then... Da da DUHHHHHHH

I dont think this is a game killer at all, tbh. Little over kill, but I am curious how much the 0.2 CD debuff is going to hurt.

Neranja · 2025-05-02T10:27:25-0400

Warmuth said:
They’d rather make the game play itself than just fucking simplify the classes back to a level when there were zero problems gaining new players and retaining old ones.

But then the "designers" (aka elitist jerks ... literally) would have to admit that they were wrong all this time. Which in turn would force them to justify their own position and paycheck.

Reality is, that the elitist jerk theorycrafters of old were hired by Blizzard, and couldn't cope that they were replaced by other theorycrafters, so the designs became more complex and a convoluted mess. Which in turn made balancing a total clown fiesta.

Juvarisx · 2025-05-02T11:36:36-0400

Daidraco said:
We have this conversation and then... Da da DUHHHHHHH

I dont think this is a game killer at all, tbh. Little over kill, but I am curious how much the 0.2 CD debuff is going to hurt.

That would change the GCD from 1.5 -> 1.7 so like 12% dps loss but the people who use it may increase their overall dps since they dont have to focus on their rotation. I mean this isnt going to help in +10's but where using cooldowns properly doesnt matter as much it should help casuals lazy people.

Daidraco · 2025-05-02T12:01:38-0400

Juvarisx said:
That would change the GCD from 1.5 -> 1.7 so like 12% dps loss but the people who use it may increase their overall dps since they dont have to focus on their rotation. I mean this isnt going to help in +10's but where using cooldowns properly doesnt matter as much it should help casuals lazy people.

I honestly dont think it'll be that small of difference. I think the rotation it will suggest/use will be subjectively average to mediocre on most classes. With them likely, and most probably, forgetting or neglecting the combat rotation for each and every single patch. I know because Honorbuddy was the same way when I programmed it.

Itll also create a whole new group of people that will complain incessantly about the lack of changes, or the changes to the rotation. With another "doubt" that people wont know if its the rotation that fucking sucks, or the class is complete shit itself. So we'll go down a road of "customization" which was another headache in HB. Where people want it to weave in the classes stun etc. While on that subject... will the one button rotation also do interrupts? Fuck thats one small thing alone that would be incredibly beneficial to the game on the low end.

Or w/o a long winded response - its still insanely more advantageous for them to design around simplistic gameplay. Asmongold points it out multiple times during his video "You almost have it... YOU ALMOST HAVE IT" - the answer is staring them right in the fucking face.

But yes, on its most simplistic level - it will help Johnny McDerp keep up with a blue parse at least. Thats "something" at least.

Arbitrary · 2025-05-02T12:24:19-0400

Daidraco said:
We have this conversation and then... Da da DUHHHHHHH

I dont think this is a game killer at all, tbh. Little over kill, but I am curious how much the 0.2 CD debuff is going to hurt.

I love the dev on the left talking about how involved it was for him to pick up a dps spec (online research, addons, guides, setting up hotkeys, binds, etc) and reaching a different conclusion than "the game is too complicated." Then later on you've got Ion explaining he loves addons. He thinks addons are great. They helped WoW get where it is today. They sure did, Ion. They sure did.

All the while the guide leader of the premier world first WoW guild and e-sport company sits between them.

krismunich · 2025-05-02T12:58:10-0400

I bet the GCD change and the one button approach is because their MS overlords want a console version in the near future.

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