World of Warcraft: Current Year

Runnen said:

I think the horizontal content stems from the max level being and announced as remaining at 60 permanently. However, a level 60 with ilvl 250 gear isn't going to play in the same ballpark as a level 60 with ilvl 60 gear. At some point they're going to create new content that requires better items to tackle it realistically. You won't be coming back after years of not playing and suddenly be useful in a post-Naxxramas raid if you stopped around Molten Core. Jimmy Tryhard isn't going to want to invest 50 hours a week into the game (and whale away at the cash shop) if they stay at the same level of power as Joe McWeekends.

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Runnen said:

I think the horizontal content stems from the max level being and announced as remaining at 60 permanently. However, a level 60 with ilvl 250 gear isn't going to play in the same ballpark as a level 60 with ilvl 60 gear. At some point they're going to create new content that requires better items to tackle it realistically. You won't be coming back after years of not playing and suddenly be useful in a post-Naxxramas raid if you stopped around Molten Core. Jimmy Tryhard isn't going to want to invest 50 hours a week into the game (and whale away at the cash shop) if they stay at the same level of power as Joe McWeekends.

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Runnen said:

Correct, which is why I said this idealized untouched WoW isn't going to last. You're already seeing it with the $30 cloud elves, cosmetic-only items being added to Forever. They're adding transmogrification to sell you cosmetic items, and soon they'll probably make a Forever version of housing so they can sell you "classic-looking" decor items.

There's a reason Retail became something you despise.

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Lodi said:

I'm actually curious if they are going to do this with zones too. Perhaps they will add more level 60 zones with more dangerous mobs as player power progresses?

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Penance said:

I tend to agree with this statement broadly. However there is a nano spec of hope that wow forever is/could be wow2 and they just gradually upgrade the engine.

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Animosity said:

I wouldnt be shocked if they do a stat squish down the line if content starts scaling too much.

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Animosity said:

I wouldnt be shocked if they do a stat squish down the line if content starts scaling too much.

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Runnen said:

Yes I remember the last time they put in alternate ways and secondary stats to your character in some kind of system meant to increase your power while you stayed at the same level.

Oh wait that was Path of the Titans and they scrapped it when they realized it was just a min/max'ing headache and didn't contribute anything meaningful to the game.

I know it's hard to believe but I truly wish the best to Forever for those folks excited to play it, but the levels of hopium in this thread are off the chart.

Bunch of beaten wives going back to their abusive husbands because "this time, we'll do it right".

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Runnen said:

Yes I remember the last time they put in alternate ways and secondary stats to your character in some kind of system meant to increase your power while you stayed at the same level.

Oh wait that was Path of the Titans and they scrapped it when they realized it was just a min/max'ing headache and didn't contribute anything meaningful to the game.

I know it's hard to believe but I truly wish the best to Forever for those folks excited to play it, but the levels of hopium in this thread are off the chart.

Bunch of beaten wives going back to their abusive husbands because "this time, we'll do it right".

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TJT said:

Oh the fun police are here again.

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Kirun said:

Fun police? By all means, keep paying for the same regurgitated nostalgia bait that has taken over Hollywood, video games, and pretty much every other entertainment industry.

The funny part is that this forum is absolutely littered with the same people complaining about the state of MMOs, modern games, bad movies, lack of originality, corporate monetization, etc. - all while continuing to throw their money at the exact same recycled products over and over again. Continuously justifying it with, "WHAT ELSE WOULD I POSSIBLY SPEND MY MONEY ON!?! COFFEE?!!? PURCHASE JUSTIFIED!".

At some point, you have to recognize that consumers are part of the reason this stuff keeps getting made. If companies can slap "CLASSIC," "REMASTERED," or "REDUX" on something from 15-20+ years ago and watch everyone line up to buy it again, why would they take the risk of making something genuinely new?

So no, it's not about being the "fun police." Enjoy the game if you want. I'm laughing at the rather obvious irony of people endlessly complaining about the industry's lack of creativity while enthusiastically rewarding it for giving them the same nostalgia product for the fifth time.

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TJT said:

Oh the fun police are here again.

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Runnen said:

I'm not even sure which zones they could add at this point. They already kept Quel'thalas out of the game because 1) it's the focus of the current Retail expansion and 2) it was originally TBC content and they probably wanted to emphasize on the Classic aspect of things.

The way they worded it, they said "we aren't quite ready to go to Quel'thalas yet" so it seems to be in their plans, probably once Midnight is fully over. But it was a big part of the Warcraft 1 to 3 story so it's a bit jarring.

Now this is an alternate timeline where the portal to Outland is never reopened by Lord Kazzak, Northrend is never explored again after Arthas returns and kills King Terenas, the Cataclysm never happens, Pandaria never discovered, etc etc... so where do you go? You can't add the Azuremyst/Bloodmyst isles, you can't have any new landmasses or planets or dimensions.

They've been tinkering with "Heroic World Tier" in Legion Remix and in the next Midnight patch (plus the Val/Naigtal sub-zones in current Midnight), so perhaps they'll add a toggable Heroic difficulty to outdoors content so players at max power with raid gear can go to a place and not steamroll everything.

That's the limits of this concept I guess. They said they want to fill in the blanks on the Classic maps but after they added those two new zones, there's not much left right out the door (except Quel'thalas).

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Juvarisx said:

Hell they could just make a Eurika from FF14 in this what adds nothing but an awesome look armor set with 0 stat increases and the people go bananas in that shit for months.



Just off scrapped vanilla zones with actual files you got Gillijim's Isle south of STV, Emerald Dream behind the dragon portals, Gilneas, The Dragon isles, Inverted Karazhan, Stormwind Vault dungeon, Grim Batol, actual Ashzara content including its scrapped battleground, Tel Abim, the prototype outland that was a rough Hellfire Peninsula that could be used as a raid, the original plan for Gnomergon, Zul'Dare off the Plaguelands, subterranian Hyjal that shows the Old Gods influence, whatever they want with the Caverns of Time, and the Underdark, which was supposed to span under the EK that was all Nerubian.

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Juvarisx said:

Hell they could just make a Eurika from FF14 in this what adds nothing but an awesome look armor set with 0 stat increases and the people go bananas in that shit for months.



Just off scrapped vanilla zones with actual files you got Gillijim's Isle south of STV, Emerald Dream behind the dragon portals, Gilneas, The Dragon isles, Inverted Karazhan, Stormwind Vault dungeon, Grim Batol, actual Ashzara content including its scrapped battleground, Tel Abim, the prototype outland that was a rough Hellfire Peninsula that could be used as a raid, the original plan for Gnomergon, Zul'Dare off the Plaguelands, subterranian Hyjal that shows the Old Gods influence, whatever they want with the Caverns of Time, and the Underdark, which was supposed to span under the EK that was all Nerubian.

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