World of Warcraft: Season of Discovery

Gdkp put the gold spending in the open and obvious, making people think thats where it all is. Professional dungeon runs are out of sight and therefore nonexistent if you're a forum spoutoff. The biggest difference is that gdkp spreads the profits amongst the raiders and has normal people doing runs, generally. Boosts and paid runs do not involve normal players almost ever, its sellers and buyers only.

Banning gdkp hides the rmt side and causes boosters, aka professional direct rmters, a HUGE advantage. Gdkp puts it in the open and kills the active rmt booster market, or at least hurts it, and instead pushes that to bots and farmers who just want cash in general to sell.

People who want to pay real money for shit... pay real money for shit, no matter what.

Big Phoenix said:

Anyone who spends money on pixels is a retarded degenerate and should always be vilified as such. No matter how little of it there is, it leads to a degradation of gameplay and our games.

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I agree and feel the same way about hentai enjoyers. Regardless, I strongly believe that gdkp does not turn hordes of otherwise non-rmters into fuckit lets buy golders. There are certainly going to be people that buy a bit of gold so they can gdkp with it, but I am convinced they are neither the majority of people nor the majority of gold buying - in fact probably a drop in the bucket compared to the whales who will rmt whether its gdkp or not.

Kiki said:

There was nothing disruptive for me, but I definitely can find areas crawling with bots on Wildgrowth. Places like the mines in elwynn. It is kinda hard to tell them apart because SOD is jam packed but they have interesting behaviors. They will auto-accept group invites for example and eventually drop group at random times, but you can invite them back immediately. I used this to my advantage a few times to complete quests. The interesting part to me was when they had questie notifications in the party chat in Chinese. They are actually questing and moving on in their own leveling process so they actually have some intelligence with things like quest drops and knowing when a quest is complete. You could invite them from anywhere and they will accept, you can follow and track them.

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Its more advanced than you probably realize. Honorbuddy did what you're talking about and that was 10 years ago. That program injected itself into the memory and bypassed Warden (or so they thought) to get the data. Now they have pixel readers that never inject themselves into memory, reading your chat/combat log, and you have a small addon that is basically giving the players location to the AI. Its all very slick shit from the techy side of it - but its getting to the point that I dont know how any company is going to catch the bots "fairly." They can mandate that they are allowed to scan your computer, sort of like Secrets did for EverQuest P99 - but thats breaking laws across the world, much less a privacy issue in general.

Khane said:

Gold DKP has been around, in World of Warcraft, since actual vanilla. It got very popular in Wrath, but it's been around forever.

It's bizarre that it somehow came under scrutiny now, especially since it's a system designed by players, and embraced by the playerbase at large, as a fix for loot disputes over the games inherently flawed rolling and master looting systems.

If you're a player that honestly thinks it's bad for the game and needs to end you're probably just an idiot. And Blizzard developers are idiots for pandering to idiots, wasting time and resources to fix a "problem" that doesn't exist.

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I think its where a lot of people will start late, or come back to the game later - and they cant just apply to a guild, get a spot on the raid team, and hoover up loot freely. "It ruins immersion" - to which I think is just a selfish point of view. Its like the returning player is putting the responsibility of gearing themselves on other people, when they've already taken a break once. Where is the motive for the people that have been playing this whole time, or the ones that geared up through GDKP to bring this person in? I know that if I went back to the classic server and expected to join Cupcaek's team, that I wouldnt be allowed back in until my gear wasnt complete shit.

I wonder where the exact line will be, okay you can’t do gold bids on items anymore, BUT you can still do group/raid runs for donations etc. I’m sure there will be some kind of work around.

Botting won't go away. GDKPs won't go away. But, it will deter a good portion of the player base from trying or doing GDKPs (boomers) which in turn will reduce the demand on gold selling. Its a net positive, even if it doesn't remove the issue.

Again, I'm just glad Blizz is actively engaged in this game and making good changes.

Uber Uberest said:

The idea of having to rely on my dice roll..

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Made me chuckle. Playing a RPG and you say that..

Just put every item on a vendor for gold. No dice roll to get it to drop, no dice roll to win. Gimme gimme.

Lol, degenerate GDKP habits. Hahaha.

How pathetic was your guild that members of the guild had to resort to skipping the raid lockouts with the guild to go run GDKP raids instead? Or was this some magical timeline where you could run raids for loot multiple times in a week?

What was the point of your guild exactly if not to raid together?

Degenerate GDKP habits hahaha. You should at least put SOME effort into your fake anecdotes.

Do you guys bemoaning GDKP even know how it works? Or why it was a thing in the first place? I don't think you do...

And how did they turn GDKP into a casino that requires nothing but spending with no return?

What you are describing would have made them rich, some obsession with gdkp that they constantly needed to feed. They wouldn't need to buy gold at all.

Unless you're suggesting they'd just buy everything for no reason and then eschew the divvy at the end of each run.

Okay so they were banned for SELLING. That makes more sense if they were addicted to GDKP. Buying gold makes no sense at all for someone who is actively participating in GDKP runs.

GDKP is a thing because guilds, at large, were annoying to deal with. Nepotism, favoritism, cliques forming over time to funnel gear to friends over performers. Uber Uberest's comment is the TL;DR of why the GDKP community even exists in the first place.

GDKP does not stifle the social aspect of the game, it's a product of the abysmal nature of the lack of social skills most gamers have. It's the end result, not the root cause. These GDKP runs, especially the good ones, tend to be far more efficient and far more social than all but the best guilds. They naturally attract like minded players and remove the terrible aspects of social gaming in an MMO by turning raiding into an efficient, for profit organization. Can't wait for people to turn that, somehow, into meaning every GDKP run was a gold selling RMT outfit.

You're Mr Republican, boy howdy the good ole days and ol' gipper. Yet, you can't even see capitalism working its wonders in a game world. And the only "point" you can muster up is "degeneracy", an all time favorite within your circles that is meaningless because you've made it meaningless, tagging it to everything you don't like, for reasons you don't even understand.

I have no clue what nonsense the above is supposed to mean.

Less drugs dude.

Holly finally added exp pots.

So its like a mobile inn? Will be curious how its implemented. % buff for duration or like current rested exp functions.