Desktop Computers

Mist said:

Make sure you get an NVME SSD for a system drive though, that's one of the biggest platform features you're currently missing out on.

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I could have sworn when I looked into this last year it looked like it would make no noticeable difference, so I just did a little checking again after seeing your post. I again found through various testing and bench marking that having an NVME vs an SSD didn't even result in 1 saved second for anything outside of massive file transfers. Everything I'm seeing is saying they are a complete waste for gaming. What am I not seeing? I've never actually seen an NVME so I'm just going off of the internets here.

Nvme drives arent for gaming, they're for boot/system

Intrinsic said:

I went from a 2500k to a 7700k and NVME boot drive and there was absolutely a noticeable improvement. Just do it, stop being a pussy.

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What'd you see like 1% difference lolallolololllollhahahalol

Now that I have you here do you have a moment to talk about our Lord and savior the ryzen????

Noodleface said:

Now that I have you here do you have a moment to talk about our Lord and savior the ryzen????

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Ryzen Christ

Christ has ryzen

Yeah, I'm on a 2550K right now, planning on going on all out on a new Pc. So far, I "think" the only things I'm sure of are a 7700k and a GTX 1080TI. So I'm looking at close to $1,100 right there. I have NO idea what board to go with. The RAM and SSD should be easy to research though.

As for the NVME, if it's only advantage for me is boot time... I shut my PC down every few months... and it takes something like 7 seconds to boot up as it is. I can't see paying the extra money for that.

Also, anything known to be about to hit that should cause me to wait? I can wait a few months if something amazing is just around the corner.

Dude, NVME is literally 4-5x the speed of old SATA. More importantly, the IOPS are through the roof. If you are dropping the cash on a 7700k and 1080Ti, the price difference in an NVME enabled motherboard and SSD are relatively nothing. That old SATA SSD shit is ancient these days.

I understand how much better it is on paper, but EVERYTHING I'm reading is that none of that matters for anything I would be doing. I've read and watched articles showing no difference for gaming/day to day use. The only place it excels is transferring data from one NVME drive to another, or loading large files into things like Adobe Premiere. When it comes to OS operations and gaming, your computer is never even coming close to being bottle necked by SSD speeds, not ever even hitting 50% of what an SSD can do. It's like an SSD is a car that can go 150 MPH on a road who's speed limit is 35-75. An NVME is a car that can go 10,000 MPH... on that same road. It just doesn't matter. So, yeah, for me, it would appear to be a much better use of my fund to buy a larger SSD over an NVME drive.

I understand that if money is no concern, sure, why not, but while I'm fine spending a couple thousand on a PC, I don't want to throw money away on things that really won't impact me. Hey, I'm trying to build my dream super computer here, I wanted to be talked into every bad ass thing I could, if it was even like "You will get 3% more performance with this" I would probably bite, but everything I says is showing me a net gain of 0.

Dude you made an 8-monitor octagon computer before what's a few bucks on a drive

Yeah, but I've got to draw a line SOMEWHERE! hahaha

And it's funny, because I'm looking up pricing on Amazon going "well, I guess a 1TB NVME is only $100 more... no god damn it, you don't fucking need it... but its just $100...

Onoes said:

Yeah, but I've got to draw a line SOMEWHERE! hahaha

And it's funny, because I'm looking up pricing on Amazon going "well, I guess a 1TB NVME is only $100 more... no god damn it, you don't fucking need it... but its just $100...

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Stop being such a pussy!!

Amazon.com: Samsung 960 PRO Series - 2TB PCIe NVMe - M.2 Internal SSD (MZ-V6P2T0BW): Computers & Accessories

Onoes said:

I could have sworn when I looked into this last year it looked like it would make no noticeable difference, so I just did a little checking again after seeing your post. I again found through various testing and bench marking that having an NVME vs an SSD didn't even result in 1 saved second for anything outside of massive file transfers. Everything I'm seeing is saying they are a complete waste for gaming. What am I not seeing? I've never actually seen an NVME so I'm just going off of the internets here.

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You’re kidding, right? Most sata 3 ssds max out about ~550mbps read/500mbps write. A regular NVME drive (just average not even the best) is getting 1500-1800mbps read with 1000-1200 writes. I’d say that is pretty significant. You can definitely tell the difference in responsiveness of system with one vs without.

I think it's because on boot you're going to see not much of a difference because drivers and interfaces still need to load so if you're using that sole metric it's almost the same. You'll see a greater gain in OS operations or other things that require a lot of disk service. It's also a fairly new technology with a LOT of effort ongoing to perfect it.

The Samsung 960s are hitting up to 3500 reads. Again, IOPS are really what matter and there is a staggering difference between the two techs.

Noodle is right though, there are quite a few scenarios where it is noticeably different. It really is a relatively small bump in price. Something that is well worth it.

Yea I will def go NVMe next time around.

In my system right now I have

7200 RPM HD (60W/65R)
SATA 3 SSD (500W/550R)
SATA 3 RAID 0 SSDs (1000W/1050R)

There is a huge performance gain moving applications up the three tiers. NVMes are even farther ahead than my RAID 0.