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Holy crap, well I knew this was going to happen at some point, just didnt realize it would be this soon. I was thinking more along the lines of after EQN launched. Sad....

I honestly think its just lore fluff unless they add mercs like what currently exist in EQ. But if this is going back to old school, Mercs kinda goes against that.

I guess what I am asking is do you think the ability to dual shields at all is dumb? or do you think there could be a cool way to implement it? Atleast they aren't going the EQN route with the auto-parkour, nexxt thing you know we would all be shield surfing Legolas'

No I didnt ONLY dual shields, it was a moment where my sword was disarmed so I grabbed the nearest thing which happened to be the shield of a fallen enemy. Lots of called shots and tricky rolls to pull it off. I dont think the Crusader would constantly have dual shields but would be an option...

Whats wrong with dual-weild shields? Hasn't been done before in an MMO so its new and I have played tanks in D&D that did this to fend off enemies and bludgeon them to death with the shields. It really depends on the implementation.

Well seeing as how the crusader can be either a paladin or warrior, it gives me hope that the Wizard and/or Ench will have 2 paths, one of those being Necromancy. *fingers crossed*

Ill become more enthusiastic when I see a Necro class... Right now this KS and the lack of a Necro has me feeling rather ho-hum.

true, so I guess then we will call them Offensive Fighters, like VG rather than Melee

Oh i totally agree, and would prefer that too, but as things look right now, it doesnt seem they are going that route. Actually the whole class things makes little sense. For example lets look at the classes they have listed. Tanks: Dark Knight, Crusader Healer: Cleric, Druid, Shaman...

I lumped Ench with Necro because if there is a Mage, the Mage was a lower powered Wizzy with pets, the Ench animated objects to get its crappy pet, the Nec animated the dead. The ench had KEI for mana regen, the Necro had Lich form, so there are similarities. Oh the Ench could charm anything...

Yeah but if you remember, many quest items in EQ were not trade-able, thats why we had MQ and why we had people camp the crap of the the AC to get the ring and sell the MQ for lots of PP. You couldnt trade the ring but you could MQ it. Same was true with the Sol Ro armor quest components, I...

Well the DK doesnt seem to really do this, so can't say for sure, but if they are going back to D&D roots, there never was a "Necrmancer" class, you just played a Wizard who specialized in the Necromancy school.

Hey guys, Still see Brad hasnt posted here recently. I know were at the consensus that they are making all this up on the fly but yesterday the whole class thing dawned on me. We have people freaking out since no Warrior is mentioned. They are assuming that the Crusader is a paladin, which I can...

Actually I was hoping they would use VG as their template for class design as EQ while all classes had their Identity, they weren't all needed. Being a Necro didn't get you invited to raids except to play mana-battery and help recover corpses when shit hit the fan. That there is terrible design.

I admit, I lol'd

Exactly, Brad has said that he would be looking to EQ and VG when it came to the class design. As of now hes covered all the classes EQ had at launch except the Necro, Mage and Warrior. I would feel less worried if those 3 classes were added to the list of stretch goals with the Monk, Bard, etc...

They have crusader which will most likely be the paladin.

They're alteast strectch goals though, so that means they have plans to squeeze them in at some point. But the Necro, Mage and Warrior aren't even on the table...

Well with the PR guy admitting they have released all the info they have, and the class list is short of a Necro, Mage and Warrior, things definately are not looking up.

oh i missed that... thats a relief then.

I have to admit that "Night time" shot is disapointing...unless its from the view of an elf or something that has night vision...

Is is about Necros?

I think Hrimnir is butthurt at the comment Flex made about the $200k being credited to rerolled.org. when Flex simply meant that his pledge put it over the $200K mark. The truth is most of the funding thus far probably has come from the people here. No way to prove it, but I would say...

Man this thread grew since last week. Anyway good to see the details on the Dark Knight, but still sad there is no mention of a Necromancer class. Brad, what gives?

Saw that, can we get confrimation on a Necro?

Updated FAQ: Will there be many quests? Story and lore elements are essential to our Quest system - they need to be meaningful and give purpose. But as a player you should never feel overwhelmed with a bunch of quests that are nothing but mundane tasks. When you get a quest the intent is...

Oh i didnt see it til now, looks like the $45 tier went from a limit of 2500 to 700 pledges... now the $55 makes even more sense.

Heres My understanding of the tiers starting with $20 which is limited to 5k pledges, you get beta access and forums but no game. For $35, you basically get a discount on the game but no beta access or forums access (but I agree it should include forums atleast) and its limited also to 5k...

It includes the previous rewards, just not included with the higher amount pledge. Though makes me think, i guess it DOES include the LSUB....

Yes this is meant to be the Pre-Alpha test tier.

First off how do we know he hasnt researched any other engines? He may not have researched them all but I know he may have looked into a few and went with one that will allow him to make the game on the cheap on multiple platforms to expand the demographic. I know he probably knows what it would...

Agreed, the kickstarter has needed more work on it. But about his statement. He didnt flat out say he couldn't edit the sourcecode. What he said was that he would have to check with his engineer but thought that they couldnt edit the source code. Meaning hes not 100% sure but he knew there was...

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Well you can by simlpy remaking the spells, abilities, ai etc work as it did in EQ. But at that point its not a design mistake, but rather it would be "working as intended." Plus you also just end up with a carbon copy of EQ...

I think monk/disc FD success should work based on the MOBS Wis score. However spell induced FD like necro/sk should work based on a MOBS ability to detect magic or a resistance of some sort.

Pretty much out with the old, in with the new... Kinda scared about that though cause lets face it, we all know what SOE did to EQ and VG. IF this happens with Pantheon, you can bet it will be FTP with micro-transcations, etc....

Fair enough... Though admitedly, even with this project, it will be a sad day when VG is shuttered... Pantheon will ease the sting though.

I see what you mean, and I totally agree with how it looks considering that all the Devs on this are former SOE employees most of which who worked on VG. What doesn't make sense is that this game is essentially trying to be what VG was supposed to be and EQ used to be. So why would SOE want yet...

So does that mean you donated? :-P

I guess most forgot the Necros and SKs also had this ability? and if you are counting VG classes, Disciples had it itoo...