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I mean, holy shit. You seriously see nothing wrong with this? What matters self-determination through representative democracy, when we can appoint a board of wise experts to make some of the most important governing decisions. If it appears the wise experts are at fault for creating a...

(1) Then not addressing this problem is a failure of the ACA. The AMA may be making the decision, but the government is enabling them. At best this is a team fail between gov't and AMA - both are liable. (2) I made no claims about pre-ACA Medicare. So the new central planners are a little...

I would not be shocked by a favorable result for Obamacare in this area - is not standardization of cost of medical procedures a big part of ACA? (regionally) <Rambling begins> In terms of actual healthcare, other than questions of who will bear the expense, a problem for ACA is what's going...

Profits are capped by the 80/20 rule. Their profits are guaranteed is my point (i.e. their profits will not be lower than pre-ACA, by provisions in the ACA), hence it doesn't make any sense to say they're paying subsidies. At best, they'd be taking more then paying the extra out (this turns...

Iraq WMD arguments, seriously? I go away for a day, and this is the level of discussion remaining? I'm interested in this topic: regardless of whether ACA increases or decreases federal spending, it does increase access to healthcare, and how that changes how healthcare is paid for. We have...

I wish ~10 years ago, when I started college, I'd had the foresight to recognize how worthless college was becoming and just picked up a trade. This football player may get by with 10 sentences, but many non-atheletes are not held to much higher standards.

You are correct; I did not attend 'Jesus Rides Dinos Elementary.'

**edit: made an important change to correct a mistake - I redefined Q; the original wording did not say exactly what I had intended, on reflection. I did not ignore it. I directly addressed the point - specifically, I said that what we should expect to be happening is not, in fact, happening if...

I don't understand. It's just not possible that laws intended to increase public safety could be used by those in power to selectively persecute those with whom they disagree. That never happens. The government is wise, and totally impartial. I learned that in school. Didn't you go to school?

I wrote: Your analogy is just what I said we should expect if the brakes are put on. After the driver switch at 120mph and slowly braking, the total distance traveled is still increasing, but each minute the increase in distance traveled is less than the increase in the previous minute. If...

While 'putting the breaks on spending' you might see a net increase in total debt, would you not also expect to see a decrease in rate of growth of debt, except in extreme cases? This has not happened: Bush added under $5 trillion in 8 years (perhaps with some hidden by raiding SS), and Obama...

LOL. Historical Federal Receipt and Outlay Summary There's my source. What the fuck should I do, storm the IRS and count federal tax revenue myself? I'm not getting this info from some bullshit editorial. Check the link. Without defining terms, we're blowing hot air. The fact that you...

What the fuck is TheBlaze.com? Picasso asked a question, and I google "federal tax revenue" and did some math. Once again with the ad-hominem. It's funny, because in this case, you might not even need it. TARP expired by 2012, yes? There you go - 2012 deficit is fair to compare to average...

You try to paint me as nothing but a frothing-at-the-mouth Fox News retard. I suppose because you recognize that ad-hominem is the only strategy available when you cannot dispute my actual case. Historical Federal Receipt and Outlay Summary In 2009, federal tax receipts dropped to 2105...

Bush's largest deficit in 2009, the chart shows was $1414 billion, 955 of which was a bailout. Without paying that bailout, the deficit was 1414 - 955 = $458 billion. I grant chunks of the deficit can be attibuted to one time large expenses in Obama's years also, yet even taking that into...

You can consider things like debt as percent of GDP, and how quickly total debt is increasing, etc. Only retards are concerned about things like debt to GDP ratio, and SP: Why we downgraded the U.S. - YouTube (reasons S&P downgrade US credit rating, skip to 30 seconds in or so.) Since...

fail post - not done writing. will put back when done.

Ad hominem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia That's all you've got. American middle class is shrinking, although there will always be people with median incomes, no matter how low the purchasing power of those incomes. That you seem to deny this - well, who has their head in the sand? Do...

Government's financial condition https://www.khanacademy.org/humaniti...cial-condition Social security intro https://www.khanacademy.org/humaniti...security-intro Yes. My grandfather, born in th 30's, worked his way into the middle class from a poor background. He has owned a house, 1-2...

Of course middle class is difficult to define, especially if you're going by income, as you have shown here. That's specifically why I don't define middle class by income, but rather lifestyle (as determined by purchasing power). Are you seriously disagreeing that the American middle class is...

We are going to pay a lot more than 5-10% in extra taxes, and we won't even get universal healthcare out of it. People have no conception of how fucked we are. Here is my evidence. So far, no one has even attempted to counter it. IMF report: "Who Will Pay and How"...

We have a real life Monty Python character here. Shes a witch! - YouTube

The problem here is this: there is a greater burden in defending against a false accusation than there is in making one. For example, Vaclav made the claim that my health insurance only covers cancer treatments up to $20k, and that he found this information in a link I myself sent him. (with...

Burnem: So, your argument is, 'NUH UH!' I see. Your ancestors? Knights Who Say Ni - YouTube

For premium costs, I always compared premium pre-ACA of a middle class citizen with the premium post-ACA (no subsidies) of the same middle class person. Median income gets subsidy, but they are not middle class. I have defended this position with evidence - see my NYtimes article, and...

Evidence: IMF report: "Who Will Pay and How" http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2011/wp1172.pdf Deduction: We can't afford ACA. But even more, we can't afford to not carry out additional reform.

Frqkjt: evidence, and deduction. Burnem: NUH UH!

LOL. Before I wrote that, I said "I'm not an expert on this" and furthermore, I asked after 'What is wrong with this?' I admitted right there I could be wrong, and asked for feedback. Thanks for the info, but why don't you go away and come back when you can be less of an arrogant prick? I...

Re: Atlantic link: This does not support you case. It supports mine. The US falls behind on measures of wait time due to a shortage of primary care physicians, but you get specialist appointments sooner in the US on average. This is because primary care physicians get paid poorly relative to...

Very good point. I worked with someone who had owned a food truck, but had to shut down and get a government job because she could not buy individual health insurance at any price. It is a benefit of the ACA that the self-emloyed with pre-existing conditions can now access healthcare. I never...

I claim we can't afford ACA; I provide evidence and deduction. You either can't comprehend, or have no counter-argument. Better brush off the logical fallacy (ad hominem). But remember, I am the one with logic problems. **edit: the trolls are trollish

Loose logic trains? I say the remaining middle class will partly pay subsidies. Response I get: no, insurance co. and federal government (taxes) will pay subsidies. As if there is no link between insurance company revenue, tax revenue, and those who can afford to pay insurance co and taxes...

Given the influence insurance companies had in drafting the ACA, they are going to have protection against loss of profits built in. If the insurance companies are paying the subsidies, then they are paying either out of their profits, or out of increased revenue. They will not pay subsidies...

Who pays the subsidy? Not those receiving the subsidy, so not median income earners. Not large corporations, and not the top 1%. Process of elimination leaves pretty much only the remaining true middle class and wealthy business owners(i.e. employers). How are these important groups doing...

Eomer, what you do is this - you skim posts, not comprehending everything, and post angry knee-jerk reactions. On this very page, I wrote this: Furthermore, I will say this for the last time: I don't think Europeans are socialist slaves. I was defending free-market enterprise, after I...

Um ... O.K. It's true I don't like the ACA; I think our old system needed reform badly, but the ACA is a bad deal, not because I oppose offering affordable coverage to the poor and disabled (I am fine with helping to fund their healthcare), but because it seems to impose too great a burden on...

**edited, new post. I did acknowledge that there are services ACA provides that my policy doesn't. Very early I mentioned it does not over maternity. I sent you the PM with a list of services not provided under my policy. How am I not acknowledging them? I have acknowledged these...

Thank you for the information. I will call Anthem tomorrow to verify the cancer treatment limits. As for paying out of the HSA, my deductible/out-of-pocket max is only $1500 - so it's pretty simple to put $1500 into an HSA anyway. I will also verify this. In your previous post, you...

*edited post - I found info needed.

Did you even read my post? Defining middle class by average earnings is a bad way to define middle class. Otherwise, you'd have to say an average earner in some poor as shit country is middle class, despite that they live in a mud hut and don't have enough food. **edit - and this is exactly...