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You sir nailed it... Of course my assumption was/is that Pantheon will "work".

Just make vanguard 3 ( yet smaller of course ) with a bit less "wow" flavor and a bit more "eq" flavor and we win.

if those features were not included i would still be interested in the game as long as it is group focused.. however i don't mind a minimap ( i just turn it off anyway ), I like auction houses, don't care if there are Instances although I do want to see contested mobs ( especially raid )... F...

I have played modern MMOs without using online guides... all of them ... and they all have sucked anyway.

ON difficulty... I just wonder if this game went "dark souls" with difficulty ( of course within the mechanics of this game ) ... and the game was marketed as such... would be interesting to grab that slice/niche, which is very successful in single player world.

Levels are great way to pace gameplay. You go out you adventure do your thing, level while out there then take a break, go to town sell crap, get new spells etc. ... i actually enjoyed that kinda downtime in MMOs.

This could be the troll of the century if it was . . . just sayin'

Reroll. . . . . If the game is not linear and the other classes are interesting enough you will want the ride of leveling again... that is the point, Can we see a game where the journey is the destination again ?

Sick idea.

Someone earlier mentioned contested raids and I absolutely hope to see that this time around ..

AAs, mentoring, multiple leveling paths, slow leveling, interesting classes and ALTs = problem solved.

Well new ideas are not working for a niche set of people including me... Good lord if we see GW2 combat in this game, I am out so fast...

IF brad can pull it off great, but name one "modern title" without levels that has good group mechanics.. actually name one "modern" game with good group mechanics... If you can have no levels and have a great grouping game, awesome and sign me up but sticking to what worked since D&D ( safe )...

Yes ! I think the difference is this... walking in a room and having that whole room lit up, or looking in corners and having mobs in those corners... have mobs attracted/repelled to/from light in some cases, have mobs not see light in some cases... mix it up... then navigation and light...

Not sure i understand... I know gamma, but who messes with gamma ? I assume areas are lit in certain ways and one way is with ambient light.. thus a reduction in ambient light and having light come mostly from real lights you have darkness.. Not sure if you mean someone can bypass it by...

Yes, navigating dungeons is yet another lost feature... I would really like to see as you said classes given abilities used to navigate dungeons ( levitate, invis, trapfinding etc ) and have content to support it... it need not all be about combat.

Thoughts on Darkness ? ( to Brad or others here ) - I would like to see darkness matter again. Either for different zone/mob behavior or perhaps more importantly immersion... Any game I play that leverages darkness ( dark souls, The Last of US etc ) really has me want darkness to come back to...

In my opinion, the majority of the content of any good MMO should be in dungeons, not overland solo content. That is all i want. I don't care if it is instanced or not... but the dungeons better not be linear 20 minute affairs. I want to spend a week ( several nights of gaming ) exploring a...

So I am in APW now and although I have not been in here in years .... It is still one hell of a raid zone.

You can be perhaps a mini-god, until you get stunned and get 2 shotted or run into a mob that reflects arcane in your face.... I still hear that damn DONG sound of DEATH !

When i read threads like this all i think is, they really want to take us back to coin-op gaming don't they ?

I know its a bit early to talk about sub vs f2p modeling and such, but make bards fast and not need mounts... No more of these nerf bards so players will buy more mounts with <SOME CASH> shenanigans !

This was EXACTLY my experience... and BMG was my fav class in any MMO ever. I remember players around me hinting to pack more vit, wis or con and I was intent on playing the class as a mage and spec int/wis/vit... all i wanted were HUGE lifetaps and that is exactly what i got and it was fun as...

Disc was always OP but bmg was not so bad.

OK... perhaps it is time for a Vanguard static grp to roll through for a refresher, even 1 night a week, or 2 ? If anyone is interested, PM me

The crazy thing about Vanguard classes is there were no skill trees and I never, not once "looked for them" or cared... they were just freakin well done.

Perhaps steal the Riftstalker from RIFT. That was a killer tank class... and hell DK in VG is pretty damn good too.. Honestly, VG classes = win. Its that simple.

Bloodmages please

How about . . . . "Dellorer Hollow/Grove/something something" .. ?

Yes indeed ! /welcomeback Aradune

Been reading up on Unity and I don't think its limited to Isometric as an "engine"... can anyone confirm this ? I suppose the real question i am asking is, will this MMO be Isometric ?

true that... long dungeon crawls would be rough I suppose.

Have to agree... its funny as much as I have rejected action combat MMOs i think its because they are just wow dressed up with 1/2 ass action combat. I am playing Dragon's Dogma right now and all i see there are possibilities for MMOs...

Yes indeed. What may sell "the crowd" on Brad's endeavor in my mind is his ability to "flex his vision" while being able to communicate the steps to get there. By steps I mean <insert kickstarter goals etc here > with a baseline that represents the core gameplay. Perhaps this is the obvious...

This is true. I think SOE will let others try to target the old eq audience ( see brad thread ) and then "buy them" if successful ... why bother with targeting an audience you already have... build a stronger portfolio with a new title, capitalizing on the Eq name.... seems like what is happening.

I think most people have moved on from what was the release of Vanguard... There is an obvious voice of people who liked that style of game and are not hung up on what was a rough release.. Its the designs we want to discuss anyhow. If anyone trolls on the past it is easy to spot and easy to...

Many a debate has been had around here about Action MMORPGs vs traditional tab target MMORPGs. Personally I nearly always fall back to the traditional style because i feel that group and caster gameplay tend to suffer in action MMOs. That said, I have been playing a few older games of late (...

Less mobs, more complex encounters. I don't need to be Sauron with the freakin ring on.

What is your ideal target ratio of solo vs group content ? Of course as much detail as they can provide around this at this early stage would be great. Perhaps this is asking the obvious given the eq/vg flavor but would like to know this.

I like the idea of quests being a bit more random, meaning they present themselves by exploring the world rather than driving you through the world. I like finding objects things by doing a dungeon and then "going to town" to see who might be interested in them, it makes you wonder why we need...