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well said sir.

jump in the water !

well shit... now you are making me think about going back for a look

RIFT always ran very well for me.

Didn't most people leave this game in a few months, then server merges now f2p ? ... I call successful a Climbing user base over time... They made a lobby game with 2 tiny cities and a linear leveling path to the treadmill. pretty weak. They copied WoW to the letter but left out copying one...

This time its about execution... and better execution but design wise Vanguard had it.

Honestly I think VG is the one reason I think this project has a chance... VG was damn close...

@Draegan and mkopec Great points gents.. my point is. Have they realized that copying "insert game here " does not translate into a successful MMORPG ? That is what I hope to hear from Trion as I really like them as a developer from a quality standpoint. ( shit worked ).

Why did you launch with 2 factions and one linear path for leveling. Why did you not add factions and more leveling paths in expansions. - Wow did Why did you recycle the already low amount of content you launched with ( i.e. the advanced dungeons or hardmode ) - WoW did why were dungeons...

/agree that thing does look pretty horrible. I think the reason is Garriott is all hung up on making it playable on Ipads. ( i thought i read that somewhere ).

The expectation is that developers acknowledge where they went wrong and then do not duplicate the same mistakes... Trion has been a company that copies something and does not innovate.. I have no intention on supporting a company like this... yet if they explained where the RIFT deficiencies...

Did anyone from Trion ever "come clean" about why RIFT was so disappointing ? That game came pretty close but I just wonder if they know why it didn't quite get there....

It was great until they broke the crap out of the Lore with Jedi.

All this when all we really need is a good MMO where the community can add content... they just can't seem to get the first part right.

this is turning into a Trion thread but I never tried defiance how is that game doing ?

I would fix that shit if i got my hands on it... i think you would be suprised what you can do with a little motivation and free reign to fix what you want.

Isn't this just Cubeworld ? Or am i missing something... ?

If this thing does release the only reason to play it ( which is huge for me ) is the Pathfinder system. IMO its the best one out there along with D&D 3.5 on which it is based. I can't imagine there will be anything "new" other than a kick ass system behind it.

I thought the sandbox nature of part of the game was the draw... perhaps that is not as real as people originally claimed. Wonder if Trion is shitcanning it.

Where the hell is Archage... Trion always has a lot going on and too much it seems based on where the company is... focus ppl.

When MMOs originally became popular the draw or the big deal was the fact you could socialize and be part of a larger community, working as teams and in competition with many other people... Design philosophy was anything that "could" require interaction did and we have seen the pendulum swing...

I see.. idea just came from using landmark to build worlds... as they say in their marketing stuff its about building your own MMO so to speak, with their tools and eqnext is an example of one.

You know i wonder if they are using EqNext:Landmark to build eq/vg game inside.. . . . .Why does this make so much sense to me atm ?

Art is subjective but what WoW did was synchronize the experience... The music, animations, art design, world design, NPC design from asthetic perspective were all synchronized... and the result is simple ... Immersion. NO game has replicated that so well IMO.

Love that about SWG

Yes I agree.. i should have stated something like this. Take vanguard for instance if Vangaurd ran solidly and had content 40+ at launch and held people as it should have... with the ALTs i played on that game it would have been worth more than 30 bucks a month ( i had 2 accounts ) in addition...

If there is content enough to level that takes on average more than a month and the game is based on player interactions ( group combat and non combat interaction ) then yes I absolutely want a sub based game. I feel like games like VG, and older style with ALOT of content can support subs but...

Nah I get it ... main thing i really liked about the classes was the progression of each class and how they developed over time... also the mixed roles of healer/dps ( bmg, sham) or healer/tank ( disc, Cleric, sham ).. Bloodmage and psionist and bard were the top 3 development wise and...

OK you just inspired me to replay 1 and 2 and then do 3 of which i have never played.

Psionist ? Bard ? They were fantastic... In VG I have Bloodmage, bard, psionist, disc, ranger, shaman, DK, druid, Necro. Druid and necro are probably the only ones that are kinda bleh for me, the rest awesome sauce. I just wonder how many people actually leveled all these classes to at...

well said sir.

You know I see many people talking about "less abilities" and with melee characters or ranger types i would say that makes sense... but casters ? D&D Arcanes and D&D Devines have a crapton of spells and nearly ALL of the skills are situational ( shape, dmg type, buffs ) ... I think my wizard...

If anyone is interested in a couple night per week leveling group let me know. Starting area and classes TBD. Send me a PM with what you want to play.

I was in for a bit and we did tricksters was fun.

Anyone playing this today ?

Damage Reduction and typing was not in vanguard to my knowledge outside of magic types.. which was cool in itself but it was in eq2 especially on raid mobs. ( this was early in eq2 days tho not sure if is still there ). The cool use of that mechanic is DDO it really opens up loot in a big...

One thing i see folks talking about mob resistances and damage reduction. The cool thing about these mechanics is they add another lever to encounters ( i.e. class X may have bonus damage of the types to fight certain mobs thus increasing the value of that class in certain situations like a...

RIFT was very close to being the game for me. The classes were cool at launch before they tried to balance PVP however the dungeons were all linear IIRC ( but fun for linear, cool bosses ). If RIFT had multiple leveling paths, content choice and non linear dungeons i likely would not have left...

/agree make all classes as unique as possible if they all can't solo equally who freakin cares... that balanced design hurts group "roles" every time.

Guild wars 2 combat is the most mindless joke I have played, other than neverwinter.. I don't want diablo i want D&D.