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How so ? Are there raids in existence that require CC ? Different weapon/damage types ? or is it just more RIFT Gimmick style raiding ? Only raids I have done in the last year have been VG and DDO raids so I have no idea myself. Perhaps there is a game out there I am missing ?

Anyone leveling right now want some company ? I am heading back in to vanguard and have chars at many levels...

At the end of the day what is missing is encounters that have enough complexity for interaction to be required to kill them. When its all a snoozefest, it becomes chatting about sports or some other off topic thing while hitting 3 buttons... Heaven Forbid challenge returns where we have to on...

Yes and Yes... i would also add no PVP minigame ( no arena or BGs, let all pvp be about resources in the world and control of those i.e. raid mobs, other contested mobs etc ).

Someone will, someday.. Then we will see that complexity return... likely in droves. Take Skyrim for example it is certainly not WoW and with the sales it has had, you bet that MMOs and future RPGs will be more of an open world experience, or at least influenced by Skyrim.

Completely disagree... The market is saturated with what you describe... and these are games that do not hold people long term.. Someone is going to realize this ( maybe Blizzard ) and grab that core RPG crowd that seemingly has no home these days... Now, am i saying that old-school is going...

I would look to Star Wars Galaxies for re-addition of social ascpects of MMOs. Non-combat classes that were social by nature ( entertainers, crafters ) add in town building guild warring etc to start. Have stores setup in the town you live in and you visit the towns... Also, regarding combat...

I recall from late beta that the XP curve was really perfect. XP gains were slow-ish and it forced you to have to explore and really see multiple areas in any given level range. Given the size of Vanguard I really liked that... felt very immersive and the game just felt so full of content it...

I always loved hillsbury manor. Especially the surrounding areas and music when u get inside and start battling tight packs of mobs... Of course early on someone in guild said, hey i found this cool manor place ... wanna go check it out ? ... which built up the moment a bit. Of course this...

I can't imagine what "else" from WoW you would want in a vanguard . . . there's quite a bit in there.

/same

They should take a note from D&D and just make it more XP to level a toon that does not fit class/race that way you are gimped but it is overcome able with effort.

I think if done right said developer will be pleasantly surprised on what they find as far as numbers go. I think the minority is based on the fact that there have been no real "worlds" to play since that '04 era, sans Vanguard/Eve ... The industry has not delivered it and that is why there is...

/Agree I used to view MMos in saved dollars from too much partying... now I am older and I am too tired for much partying so MMos still have a spot... if there was one worth playing that is...

I certainly hope Brad and Co, look at Vanguard class designs.. I had thought they would be copied by other titles but they really have not and some of those classes are the best I have ever played.. a great Bard, Bloodmage, disciple, psionist were my top 4. This brings up yet another item...

Re-make Vanguard and make it solid as a rock and run on many a machine well = win. .... and .... release one continent at a time.

Gw2 was spamming 2-3 buttons with little reason for thought at all....LoL u know like most action RPGs .

Gw2 was spam spam fest and I quit by level 15. If you like the new flashy spammy MMOs it's a quality game but I hate the spam fest twitch crap. Of course most people dropped it pretty quick but have some friends that enjoyed the leveling ride.

Ok I will buy that but then why the repetitive epic fails? Because WoW was a hell of a lot more than Soloable. You had a huge world to explore and there were rails but leveling choices as well and a reason to ALT. New games lack this... Point is you can't cherry pick a feature and think that is...

Ahgram ? Not sure if that is how you spell but they did populate that quite a bit with the crafting quest series

Yes! I like the idea of loose ties to an overall story ... Like a war .. You wave to capitalize on the "crowd" movement nature of MMOs ... Faction alliance shifts based on actions players take...stuff like that... But I agree me being the hero was not so interesting... You could have some sort...

The worst 2 solo classes in Vg were rogue and war.

Needing cc was a great way to add complexity and challenge to dungeoneering. Although the way vanguards classes / content was designed a psionist in grp could make things that would normally require a full compliment 3-4 mannable. Hell I used to solo with my psi in dungeons as all I needed was...

Well said sir.

Who the hell would have said that ? again there are single player experiences that will always be better ... I will never believe that the crap we are getting is anything other than "let's do what wow did" which could work even today but these developers can't even copy WoW and get it right.

Focus groups = guys in suits

We used to say you measure an MMO's success a year after release. Nothing since WoW has grown significantly in numbers other than Eve most likely a year+ out.. Maybe DDO after f2p? It's now a fast food cookie cutter joke of an experience everywhere you look.

VG did this well.. there were many classes that could tank.

play disciple / bloodmage / DK / shaman / rng /bard or psionist.. pally and src are not the best of the classes ( they are OK ) but you won't see the best stuff unless you pick one of the ones i mentioned. src is tough because you have to really manage aggro alot

Use coreUI. Seriously thinking of another run through VG. . . who's in ? I have many alts 51 bmg/ 41dk / 37 sham / 14 druid / 25 rng / 35 psi / 35 disc . PM me if you want to start a group from 1 or if you are playing now at some level and are regular groupage.

Must disagree about eq2 character models here.. by today's standards eq2 models look dated but back then ? They were pretty cool looking and very customizable... easy to "not look like" everyone else if you had a slice of creativity in your head.

All of my best pvp and raiding experiences come from eq2. Recently described this here on another thread but anytime you are pvp-ing and raiding at the same time ( i.e. contested mobs ) you are in for quite a ride... best MMO times i have ever had.

Copy vanguard classes.... do it.

Arenas were failure because balancing a game for 1on1 ruins group mechanics and nueters class designs .. but these days that does not matter anymore everyone solos.

I did have a though on a mod i was looking for I wonder if anyone has seen. I want D&D non combat skills in skyrim like talking your way around quests rather than fighting. Since it is a travel game for the most part I would love to see things like tracking / survival ( noticing mobs at further...

I run 83 mods in skyrim ( some that have been mentioned here ) however no leveling changes or travel changes. Mostly graphics ( it could crush many PCs ), added models for armor, bodies, faces, added dungeons and mob difficulty stuff. This one however is pretty damn cool as i wanted to play...

/Agree on that suck part.. but the dungeons are the best out there today and worth it even with the lame racial area changes. That said, if anyone is thinking of another go let me know I have been thinking of taking a new toon to 50.

On the open world pvp. PVP should be within the world, not a side game. That is valued resources in the world are fought over. Think contested raid mobs from eq2... it was the BEST pvp i have ever played for 2 reasons. 1. It was balanced by group not individual - meaning if you rolled alone...

Just the same evil gods that have been calling the shots and destroying the MMO industry... those that hold the $

So from a pvp perspective they are building WoW and from a character building perspective it seems like this is more like diablo.. Wonderful ! yet another game i shall skip.