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Very good info there, thanks for that.

I travonte what now?

I'd like to hear more about the truck story. Was it on fire? From what I understand it's not a good idea to move a car crash victim unless it's absolutely necessary as paralysis can occur. I'm sure Dr. DiMeowmeow would have a lot to say about the dangers of moving accident victims with potential...

Wow. A) I never said an innocent person dying is a good outcome. B) I never said Zimmerman wasn't justified in his actions. C) You can't put an infinite value on human life. Just ask Fanaskin, he'll tell you all about it. I'm just talking probability here.

To be fair, if the exact same sequence of events occurred in England (minus the gun), it's likely Zimmerman would have gotten beaten up, Martin would have been caught and charged, nobody would have died, the media would not have had a field day brainwashing the masses, the Prime Minister would...

Dude, are you really gonna play this game?

This is why statistics without context are worthless. Worse than worthless, they are used to manipulate people and take advantage of their ignorance.

Did you not see the thread yesterday? There was a science experiment that proved your hypothesis correct. EDIT: It's all in the past, though. Relax, Tuco.

It's actually kind of similar to religious zealotry where anything that doesn't support their mantra is tuned out. Except, of course, for the fact that religion is bullshit whereas racism still does very much exist. Here's a real question, though: What is the goal of the Martin defenders? If...

*Sigh* Despite the fact hat I haven't been trolling or, in fact, doing anything other than responding to people who were addressing me specifically, I will "drop this shit" because you asked nicely. You'll infract me otherwise, after all. At least my point has been proven.

Dude, relax. It's an open forum, I'm not trolling or breaking any rules. I'm actually engaging people in discussion relevant to the case here, which is more than you're currently doing. If you're less than satisfied with the last 10 pages of "nonsense", link an article or make a point yourself...

You're right, it doesn't change the outcome of the trial at all. After all, I wasn't talking about the outcome of the trial, or the media coverage. It is somewhat relevant to "other aspects of the case", however, as my point illustrates how following the trial and agreeing with the outcome...

I'm not blind-eyeing that. I never have. All the evidence suggests that Zimmerman was on the shitty end of a one-sided fight, not that his life was in danger. Again, I'm not saying Zimmerman did anything wrong. He was justified. This is not some passive-aggressive way to lay the blame on...

What's your point, and how does it in any way counter my point? Reminder: My point is that it's foolish to assume Zimmerman shooting Martin preventing him from suffering death or serious injury.

How am I a fortune teller? I'm not saying what would have happened. I'm saying what's more likely to have happened based on the evidence. I'm not discounting Dr. DiMeowmeow's testimony at all. The whole point of his testimony was that if your head is being struck, there are many things...

Do you remember the question? It was "What happens when a skull gets struck?" Nothing was mentioned about the force of said strike, so I have no choice but to assume the question refers to any time the skull gets struck with any force in any context. Obviously, in the grand majority of these...

Nope... never said his application of lethal force had no merit. I suspect you may be trolling, but read more carefully.

What's the matter with you? I'm not implying that at all. I could not be any clearer. Wrong. He just had to believe he was in danger of serious bodily injury or death to be justified, which he did. Dr. DiMeowmeow is fantastic when it comes to talking about whatcould havehappened. He's great at...

Of course not. He was entirely justified in the way he acted. My problem's not with Zimmerman, it's with people who assume the gun saved him from death/serious injury.

I'm not "implying" anything, I'm telling you what the evidence shows. Zimmerman's injuries were not severe. He suffered two cuts to the back of the head and a broken nose. His brain was as pure and untouched as a virgin snowfall. Telling me whatcould havehappened is fine. That's entirely...

Again, no, that's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying it's foolish to say that Zimmerman's gun prevented death or serious injury. That's all!

I'm starting to think you might actually be retarded. Why don't you ask Famm or Fanaskin to explain? They actually understood the point I'm making. You're still on another planet.

*thump* I just struck my skull with my palm. *thump* Just did it again. Guess what happened? Nothing. Guess what happens the grand majority of the time someone is hit in the head? Nothing. What you described is what happens when someone is hit in the head with enough force to push the brain...

Did you read what you posted? That's 1 in 1000 (already a very small chance) of cases where there was a "brief loss of consciousness, brief period of amnesia, or a sensation of feeling dazed",none of whichapplies to Zimmerman. He doesn't even fall into the 1000 people who would have something to...

Because people keep inferring that I'm saying Zimmerman should have acted differently or that it was his fault that somebody died. Despite the number of times I've repeated it people still keep misreading what I'm saying.

That's why I accept that death/serious injurycould havehappened. I'm just saying it wasn't the most likely outcome.

Because that's exactly the point some idiot went out of his way to be as big of an asshole as possible to tell me I was wrong about. I don't blame him, most of you misunderstood my point in the same way he did, but at least you've proven that you're capable of understanding what I'm saying...

Really?Really?It was a one-sided fight, but Zimmerman wasn't "beaten" in the sense that he couldn't take any more punishment. He had two cuts to the back of the head and a broken nose. Hecertainlywasn't KO'd. You know how many high school fights end with worse injuries than that?

Most cases? Nothing.

If you admit that's probably true, then that's it. We're on the same page.

A) After 40 seconds of a one-sided beating, he only had 2 cuts on the back of the head and a broken nose, nothing anywhere close to life-threatening injuries. B) Martin had never killed anyone before, nor had he ever beat someone to the point where they suffered permanent injury. C) Martin had...

Zimmerman should have acted in no way different to how he acted. I thought I made that clear.

Ah ah ah, I already explained that's not was the sig was for.

That's a valid question, Chuk. How long do most beatings last? After 40 seconds of one-sided beating, Zimmerman had 2 cuts to the back of the head and a broken nose. Would Martin have kept beating him for another 40 seconds after that? Would Zimmerman have gotten another 2 cuts and a black eye...

If it prevented him from one more punch it prevented him from further damage, right? I'm saying it's likely that the shooting didn't protect Zimmerman from death or serious injury, and the evidence supports that. Nothing dishonest about that.

Of course I'm applying hindsight! That's exactly what I'm doing. See, I'm not judging Zimmerman on his actions exactly because he didn't have the benefit of hindsight. In his situation, he had no choice but to believe his life might very well be in danger. He was totally justified in using...

You're making the same mistake a lot of these other guys are making. You're assuming that, by saying Zimmerman wouldn't necessarily have died if he hadn't shot Martin, I'm implying that heshouldn'thave shot Martin. I'm not doing that. What I'm doing is saying that people like you are foolish for...

That's what a broken nose looks like. I don't have the figures to support it, but I'm guessing the vast, vast majority of people to have suffered broken noses did not also die in the attack they got the broken nose in.

In all likelihood, when he heard police sirens or other people approaching.

Again? OK: It's foolish to say Zimmerman would have died/suffered serious injuries if he hadn't shot Martin.