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Here's what generally hasn't been mentioned in this thread, most likely out of fear of being singled out and ridiculed: The reason why so many people wanted to see Zimmerman found guilty is not just because the media brainwashed them (although they certainly played a large role), it's because...

Well, it would have been a much more apt focus of the nation's race rage, for one thing. They actually could have gotten some satisfaction.

I don't know why we haven't heard more about this: WIS. MAN FACES TRIAL FOR SHOOTING TEENAGE NEIGHBOR The kid's family's house was searched and they found no guns. The old man has an expert who will testify that he suffered from a mental illness that prevented him from knowing right from...

Some quality straw-grasping going on here: What You May Not Know About the Zimmerman Verdict: The Evolution of a Jury Instruction TLDR: The jury wasn't given the full definition of self-defense law, they were given a version that favored Zimmerman's case. Apparently if they had been told...

Numbers, at what point can we say that somebody isn't responsible for their actions? As a kid I was taught that it's never OK to hit someone and I took it to heart. As I got older I realized things weren't that simple, like that episode of Roseanne where John Goodman punches a guy out for...

Actually, I hate to say it because I think the death of a 17 year old is tragic whatever the circumstances, but Martin was pretty much responsible for his death. Just because it ended in the worst possible way for him, it doesn't mean it wasn't a result of extremely reckless behavior on his...

There's gold in them thar hills! Report: Juror In Zimmerman Case Signs With Literary Agent

Also from that site: If The Zimmerman Jury Was Right, Then A Lot Else Is Wrong. TLDR: If the jury made the choice they had to make, then the whole system from the judge to the laws themselves is wrong. Also: More SYG references!

From that site:

Agree 100%

I know it came out that Martin had brain and liver damage due to drug use and that he had minimal traces of cannabinoids in his blood, but was it ever shown that he was high on lean at the time of the attack? I ask because it seems like the only reason he would physically attack a complete stranger.

I think Barack Obama receiving the Nobel peace Prize took any respect I've ever had for the title away. Makes no difference who gets it from now on, it has lost its ability to mean anything.

Personally, I'm really looking forward to Freerolled. I sincerely hope that's what Araysar is working on right now. It's gonna be like that Brad Goodman episode of The Simpsons, a "Do what you feel" festival comprised entirely of angry spiteful assholes. You'll be able to say whatever you...

I just want to apologize for continuing a pointless argument. I, like Zimmerman, do not like being attacked without being able to defend myself. In retrospect, if I came off even a fraction as obnoxious as Hodj does, I have done you all a great disservice and for that I am sorry. To atone...

That would be more surprising if the people in question weren't immediately met with hostility and ridicule. That tends to put them on the defensive right off the bat, as they feel they have to justify their position however they can as opposed to ending the conversation after being called an...

I said my say and as far as I'm concerned I proved my point. My words speak for themselves. Now drop it before you get me an infraction.

Sorry, was typing before I saw that. Frankly, I'm sick of this conversation too. No reasoning with some people.

"He didn't suffer life threatening injuries because he shot Martin before they could occur." If you say X didn't happen because of Y, you are saying that Y prevented X. You are saying, in no uncertain terms, that had it not been for Y, X would have occurred. This phrase says that if...

Here you go. And here's me clearly explaining how those phrases are making baseless claims that are not supported by any evidence: Citation provided.

Well then we've reached a standstill. I've shown you that you made assumptions that were not backed up by any evidence. It's right there, in writing. You somehow choose to believe the examples I've found don't count, for no other reason than... well, you haven't actually given a reason why...

I said you edited it to make it less presumptuous, but even what was there proved my point just fine. More than fine, you had 2 phrases making baseless assumptions when I was only looking for one. I found what I was looking for and proved my point. You fucking apologized for your choice of words...

What citation? The one I already showed you that you fucking admitted you were wrong (oh sorry, "unclear") about? Fucking be a man already. Some people here still have some respect for you. Don't throw that away by being a pathetic, whiny child.

You've made a lot of shitty posts recently, Numbers, but you hit the nail right on the head here.

Mostly to see how he would react to having baseless claims made about him, like he was doing with the whole "Redshift being one of my several alts" bullshit. Might've worked better if I knew the intricacies of the editing system, though!

I wasn't making wild stretches of assumptions. I was stating the more likely outcome based on evidence. Oh, and "quantifiably proven"? Well, you admitted you were wrong. That's good enough for me. Champagne, anyone?

Wait, so you edited it to make it more presumptuous? You're the one who should feel stupid. You added the incriminating phrases after the fact, you fool.

Oh, so now you're trying to establish a context for your shitty statements? "Yes, that was stupid, but see I said it on purpose because of Tanoomba"... loser. Why should we presume that he would have stopped? We shouldn't. We also shouldn't presume that he wouldn't have stopped. We should...

I'm not your gopher.

This is what happens when you use logic.

You're preaching to the choir. You edited it. Prove to me you didn't edit it to make it sound less presumptuous. What's that? the burden of proof is on me? Well shit, then prove to me that Redshift is my alt account, since the burden of proof falls on you there. I don't need another try. I...

Well, this thread would be boring as fuck without some kind of argument going on. If I get involved at least it can be a logical and two-sided argument, even if it's based on something that ultimately doesn't matter. There's been way too much high-horsing in this thread, I don't want you guys...

Here's the post, although you edited it after the fact to make it sound less presumptuous: Saying "He didn't suffer life threatening injuries because he shot Martin before they could occur" is wrong, because for that to be true there would have to be a certainty that he would have suffered...

Can't argue with that.

Actually, several people have stated, in clear terms, that Zimmerman would have died that night were it not for his gun. You made that claim too. "The potential was there" is a point nobody has ever argued and nobody ever will argue. Stop repeating yourself. You sound like a crazy person. If...

I absolutely wasnotgoing to say "Then why did he have to shoot him?" It's just that some people are fairly confident Martin would have beaten Zimmerman to death had he not used his gun, which doesn't make a lot of sense given the evidence. The fact that he would have been charged with...

Lleauaric, Martin didn't actually have a concrete slab in his hands to attack Zimmerman with, that was just a visual aid for the lawyers. While Martin was beating up Zimmerman, Zimmerman's head hit the sidewalk a couple of times. He has two cuts to show for the "bashing" his head took. Most...

What the hell? I hope I read that wrong, because that sounded like having a sixteen year old run towards you is legal justification for believing you are in danger of grievous injury or death. Shit, the kid never laid a hand on him and got shot. Twice. That's pretty fucked. Serious question...

Nobody cares but you, Hodj.

And I never said Zimmerman shouldn't have brought his gun or was responsible for Martin's death. Please, for the love of god, close this thread.