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Nothing I've said has "violated logic". Nothing. In fact, like I keep saying, this point of view isMORE LOGICALas it is, you know, somewhat supported by evidence. And stop telling me what I'm implying. I am not implying that at all. You're inferring that, but it doesn't mean I'm implying that...

Actually, my point of view requiresless"what ifs", not more, because it's actually somewhat supported by the evidence. It takes a greater stretch of the imagination to end up with Martin killing Zimmerman in cold blood with his bare hands than it does to end up with Zimmerman getting a few...

Dude, you guys wanna keep arguing it, I'll keep arguing it. If you don't, that's fine too. But my point has yet to be "shot down" in any way, shape, or form. The grand majority of the points made to weaken my argument are actually points I agree with that have nothing to do with the point I'm...

I really don't get why so many of you are hyper-sensitive about this, I don't. I'm not saying anything even remotely controversial. I've made my point several times, but since you asked I'll say it again: It's foolish to say that Zimmerman's gun saved his life, especially when the actual...

I never said he couldn't have been permanently wounded or killed. Never said it. I said it was the more likely outcome based on the evidence, and it is. I have no problem with the reason you gave "why a person could be justified in killing even when he didn't have "mortal wounds" or whatever"...

Of course! Who's arguing otherwise?

See, you're going in circles arguing stuff I've never contradicted, which is pretty much all you've been doing for several pages. Yes, if a bull is charging you you'd be in your right mind to shoot it. If a hyper-realistic holographic bull was charging you and you had no idea it was a hologram...

OK, this was mentioned before but it may be worth repeating: If Martin had survived his gunshot wound, he could have been charged with a crime, right? What do you think he would have been charged with: Attempted murder or aggravated assault?

Nope, I never stated that as a fact. Find me a post where I did. I'm saying it's far more likely he would not have been killed or suffered serious injury had he not shot Martin. This isn't about blaming Zimmerman for what happened, this is about calling people on saying "the gun saved his life"...

First of all, relax. No need to go all "cocksucker" up in here. If I had said that a "particular first would never have happened" then yes, that would very well be an assumption. I never said that. I said it's likely, and the evidence supports this likelihood, that Zimmerman would not have...

I'm glad I'm entertaining you.

Zimmerman's life was not in danger based on the blows he received. His lifecould havebeen in danger based on the blows hemight havereceived, but he just got two cuts to the back of the head and a broken nose.

So you get it now, then. Well, almost. I'm not mocking someone for saying "would" instead of "could". I'm mocking someone for being an insufferably obnoxious douchebag who bent over backwards to be as offensive towards me as possible rather than admit he used the wrong choice of words. Fuck that...

The whole shooting was actually a viral ad campaign for Skittles. Their sales are through the roof now.

Never argued against that.

When did I ever make that assumption? I'm saying that, based on the evidence, it's certainly more likely that Zimmerman would not have died or suffered serious injury that night, but I never stated this as a fact. Ever. I'm not making assumptions at all.

English is not only my first language, it is the language I teach for a living.

Why are you inferring it that way? I could not be more clear that Zimmerman was justified in his actions. My problem is with the assumption that Zimmerman's gun saved his life or saved him from crippling injury. It's a false assumption and anybody who makes it is doing the same thing the...

I've never argued against this. Not once. I've made that very point several times.

I know damn well what "could" means, thank you. Like many English words, the context in which its used affects its meaning. If I say "The bell rang before I finished", it means the bell rang, then I finished. If I say "The bell rang before I could finish", it means the bell signified the end...

Like I said many, many times, George Zimmerman was entirely justified in fearing for his life. Nothing controversial about that. But we simply can not make the assumption that he would have been killed or suffered serious injury if he had not shot Martin. We can't. There's no evidence to support...

What flaws? What pattern? I know you guys hate these, but here's a hypothetical: Let's say a guy's friends decide to pull a stupid prank on him for his birthday by giving him some kind of hazing. They sneak up behind him on the street, pull a large burlap sack over him and start to hit him...

Why would it be ignorant for people to think the same thing? We should all know that Zimmerman feared for his life. We should not assume that his life was actually in danger. That's a leap that isn't supported by any evidence.

Absolutely. Why not bring the media into this? The media plays a huge role in race relations in general, whether through gangsta rap or stereotypes perpetuated in movies. That can and should be part of the discussion. No, Gav. If somebody has you pinned and is punching you in the head, you are...

He had his head hit. He was pinned. Legally, he had the right to consider his life in danger, regardless of whether or not his life was in danger. The evidence suggests that his life was not actually in danger (nor was he in danger of serious injury), but that doesn't change the fact that he was...

I'm saying that trying to turn this shitty situation into a valid discussion is the most productive way to handle it. You can't just tell everyone "You've been suckered! The media are lying, manipulative scumbags!" Although it's true, people are not willing to hear that. Trying to ram it down...

I was a bit disappointed in Kick-Ass. Partly it's because I only saw it well after it came out (on PSP video disc, no less) and I had been exposed to the hype already. It sounded like it was supposed to be a grittier, more "realistic" take on what a guy trying to be a superhero might go through...

I dunno, I really liked Man of Steel. Superman Returns left me feeling short-changed when all I wanted to see was Superman being Superman. I got more of that than I could have asked for in Man of Steel and I loved every moment of it. Sure, there was no character development and thousands of...

"The group said the results show that Americans are increasingly willing ?to give up their rights and freedoms in return for greater security when they feel threatened.? Considering "When they feel threatened" has little to no connection to "When they actually are threatened" and is highly...

I agree with you, but I would add one thing: That we shouldn't take the fact that this case was irresponsibly sensationalized to mean race issues don't exist or shouldn't be discussed. Even if the case had nothing to do with race at all, the fact that it is sparking discussion about enduring...

I think he's got you there.

Zimmerman seems like kind of a dick now. Guy carrying a paper bag?Call the cops.Can't reach his sister?Call the cops.Pothole?Call the cops.Guy on speed bike?Call the cops.Guy cutting people off?Call the cops.Trash on the road?Call the cops. Take it easy, Zimmy, you're not here to save the world.

I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Honestly, I knew him as the "often posts links to articles relevant to the topic" guy. They were good reads and I got a lot of good information from him. Then I saw him post trolls so obvious I honestly thought someone might have hacked his account, but it was still kind of interesting just...

Me too.

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I think it's disturbing that Jude valued a dog's life higher than that of the man he shot.

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