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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Long as they are taking suggestions... Rethink your class stretch goals. Ranger/druid seems fair, but bard/monk is outrageous. If you want class goals then put knights on it or something. Druids, bards and monks are classic core classes that shouldn't be missing, and shouldn't take a...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Mainly because no one has ever done it right. Not even close. Water content pretty much always sucks. Ships, islands, sailing etc is all good stuff, but underwater zones can blow me.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Also 6.3 million = flying mounts? Dumar is going to have a seizure...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    I find it funny that their last stretch goal is really more of a warning sign. DO NOT HIT THIS POINT.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Yeah I don't like that at all. Ranger should be easy to get, bard is likely not happening. I'm going to call it now and say monk is out. Unless they got more to show I'm not seeing 4.7 million+ there.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    I think those class stretch goals are retarded. Monk is probably the easiest to design, but is the most expensive. Sounds like some devs don't want to hear the bitching about FD.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    That certainly is a stretch!
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Stretch goals are part of KS. No goals, no money.
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    DAOC: Origins - New Server

    Ban as they go I guess.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    My hope is that they don't just try and drop as many Everquest references as they can hoping that will be enough to get them a 7 digit payday. I want to actually see something with potential and not just them trying to appeal to peoples EQ nostalgia for money.
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    DAOC: Origins - New Server

    Pretty sure just about every class can get specced into total uselessness. Research the class you are interested in and get a road map for the template you want at level 50. I do believe respeccing is possible, but it isn't easy. I think you need a rune from one of the realm dragons? Been...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Think he is referring more to "ex-VG folks" not being very appealing. I have to admit I hope when they launch KS they don't open with "From the guys that brought you Vanguard", because I'm pretty sure that ends with quite a few folks going "aaaaand no thank you!".
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    That can just bring new problems to the table, while not really fixing anything. You could end up with a server who due to timer RNG gets to down a boss every day, or maybe even more then once a day, while another server consistently sees him at the 300+ hour mark. Remember one of the biggest...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    The problem I have with world wide accessible servers is that it can potentially kill competition. Or force someone to play at ungodly hours in order to stay competitive. Guild Wars 2 suffered from this so bad that it pretty much killed my desire to do the WvW part of the game. You work hard...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    To this day it is the only gear in WoW that remains interesting. The only gear that can have a impact on your character large enough that it might even change your playstyle a bit. I fully support items like that in any mmo.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    More bard envy. Must be a monk thing.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    I very much agree to this. PvE has been held back for YEARS because of PvP. Developers have seriously got to stop trying to do both. The need to balance classes perfectly for pvp ends up killing them for pve. Part of the charm with EQ classes is that you had classes like bards or necros who...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    I don't like when they offer in game rewards for using social media as well. Titles, and cosmetics because you friended them on facebook is lame.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    There isn't even a game to dislike right now. So how could I appear to not like "anything about the design, mechanics, or principles of the game" on a game that doesn't even exist? We were discussing old mechanics used in Everquest. This game isn't Everquest. Which seems to be something you...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Must be a deep hatred that came from reading monkly business so often.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Now this I agree with. Lost Ranger "liked" this quest is not something I ever want to see. Keep FB, twitter etc FAR away.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    I'm honestly not trying to rustle any EQ fan jimmies. I just won't stop discussing something because anything but praise is unacceptable in their eyes.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    I shouldn't have to spell out in crayon every time I post that what I am typing is just my opinion. Of course that mechanic works, but just because it works doesn't mean it isnt stupid. WoW dungeons work too, and those are pretty fucking awful IMO as well.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Spare me the offended fanboy routine. Just because I don't drop to my knees and praise all things EQ doesn't mean I hated the game, and it doesn't mean I have no interest in this one. Also, Im not going to stop discussing, or sharing my opinions on game mechanics just because you don't like...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Feeling powerful is something most MMOs fail at now sadly. I had a necro and a bard during EQ. Both made you feel all powerful if played right.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Disliking a dumb mechanic isn't enough to get me to hate something in its entirety. I feel sorry for you if that is how you approach games/movies.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    It isn't the same thing. Shooting fireballs is accepted because it is a fantasy world and magic is "normal" there. Playing dead, hitting your target, playing dead, rinse repeat is just fucking idiotic. My dog wouldn't fall for that shit, but I am suppose to accept that the god I just failed...
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    DAOC: Origins - New Server

    I am still on the fence. Nostalgia is a powerful drug though!
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Maybe by classic he means classic WoW?!
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Sap is one of the very few that can't be done in combat. Most of WoWs cc is just like other MMOs though. Fear, sheep, hex, traps, stuns, horrors etc. I agree though it is all pointless really since single group content is so easy. I like useful cc, and I like pulling IF that pulling is...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    We stopped using monks as pullers soon as bards got their aggro dump. They pulled MUCH faster, and could bring 2-3 mobs at a time. Then mez the mobs and line them up to get killed in order. Good bard had mobs in camp at all times, and only stopped if the healer needed mana. Fuck monk...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Uh, you can cc in combat in WoW...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    No joke. The amount of money some people have invested in that already is mind blowing.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Maybe Brad wants to hear some NEW ideas? No one has said to stop talking about old school features. It has just been pointed out that maybe screaming "MAKE IT LIKE EQ!" in his face repeatedly isn't such a smart idea in 2014. I won't pretend to know all of Brad's thoughts, or how ambitious he...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Shocking? What MMO nowadays doesn't receive a lot of hype based on pretty much nothing? People were kissing Curt's ass for YEARS without anything solid to go on. He would just come along ask a question (mainly to bump his thread) and let the armchair designers go nuts until his thread fell...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Two entirely different types of entertainment Merlin. Music can be timeless. Video game mechanics don't get that luxury.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    You can never go home again. A sad fact of life that so many people try to pretend isn't true. Things change. People change. What might of worked 15 years ago could be a total failure now. Good luck convincing some of these guys of that though. If EQ did it then it was the pinnacle of game...
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    Castle

    Awards well won. Nice to see Stana Katic get some recognition.