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That's all that needs to be said about why this thing is tumbling down, really.

I'm not sure he'll get another shot - he's certainly throwing away faith and goodwill by the handful with nearly every interview. I'm gonna be behind any project that wants to make the game I want and presents themselves as capable of completing it. I dont even necessarily need a playable...

And apparently his actual target audience is not buying into his name only and want some proof before they swipe the Visa. Time to man up and get work done before the rewards roll in, Brad.

That's the thing, this was supposed to be a niche product for a specific audience. You know, the few folks that still want to take the horse. That argue for the point of most players makes the whole argument moot because doing it the way most players would like is not the goal here. (well, so we...

There has been a "going in circle" discussion about Ye olden days since forever, it just moves from thread to thread. Right now it is about BRad and VR because that was (is?) relevant to the old school topic, but if VR drops the project and disbands today that discussion would still continue in...

I wasnt going to compare Pantheon to Star Citizen - Roberts is another league entirely that much is obvious. That line was merely confirming that Star Citizen also runs a sub for a newsletter/forum/devtalk kinda service. However the people that think this is intended to be a scam are way off...

Star Citizen does, but the way they are financed is beyond ridiculous as is (and I say that as someone that paid them). I agree that they arent intentionally trying to scam anyone - although like some others keep saying, the alternative is oblivious incompetence which isnt really better. If...

That quote would be really dissapointing if I still believed that the game will be made.

Expecting delays in each phase that also pushes the subsequent ones further out is probably a good idea. I'm thinking the biggest hurdle will still be water.

He dimished the chances of any investors supporting the idea - I dont think that he has done much damage to future kickstarter projects (by other teams) that are actually All In for their goal.

Nope, it's the KS. More accurately their expectation to get money first and work later and the resulting half-assed weekend effort they put forth. You want my money, convince me that you can accomplish what you set out to do. - Have a detailed plan for your "give me 1-6 millions dollars"...

Cross-genre comparison is crude, I'll give you that. I argued pretty much that point in the Archeage thread. But your Leona example is the point I was making - at certain levels of play people absolutely do that. People will do that in EQN too, and you'll recognize them as useless just as...

I dont want to dismiss that concern entirely but I think it's exaggerated. Of course that's guesswork on my part, maybe you can max it all in within a couple of months. But looking at how long it takes to max all starships and equipment in EVE (downright impossible), collect all champions in LoL...

I think that assumption is short-sighted. DotA games developed roles out of nothing and they turned into the established meta - if roles were so pointless the meta shaping in DotAs would be 5 ranged dps or 5 bruisers or whatever. Instead, the players themselves took the dozens of classes with...

I'm on board with hating against using the Everquest name and lore for EQN (abusing I should say)... but if half of what they're talking about comes to fruition the game will be vastly different then the last decade of DIKU clones. I'm looking forward to it. Even if they fuck it up it wont be a...

EQNL is minecraft, you'll have spaceships and pop culture and shit. What might interest you is EQN (which is way off). EQN imo is very promising because all the new concepts they're integrating. Both the voxel stuff and Storybricks on their own have the potential to rewrite the MMO landscape...

Eh, take the credit where you get it. But whoever wrote it, I agree with you (too lazy to go look where I messed up the quote).

Booze is making sense here (yea...). We need something new, and Pantheon likely isnt it. I'm gonna hop on the EQN hypetrain, at least they're trying to break way from the status quo. At least until someone comes up with a fantasy version of EVE. I actually liked many parts of GoD... I guess I'm...

I'll agree with that, but I also find it unfortunate. You get that thrill in high end raiding, sure. But outside of raids, that feeling is gone from the DIKU genre. And at this point you even have to say outside of high end raids because raid finder sure isnt thrilling. In that same vein most...

Maybe the lesson just took some time to sink in... anyway, EQ had some a good run pre-WoW and is still around a decade after it (not that I touched it since 2004 but it wasnt shut down either). You make it sound like SOE/EQ is in the same league as Horizons. With hindsight, one of the things SOE...

Are there any successful PVP MMOs left besides EVE? The thing is that what is popular isnt really MMO PvP. It's mini-game PvP. Matched teams based on ranking, what's MMO about that? Where is the difference between 3v3 SC2 game, LoL and WoW Arena matches? The only difference I see is the gear...

Judging from the way this whole campaign has been going their initial plan was that you simply pay the 15 for the forum, and after reading suggestions like yours they go "wow great idea, lets do that and look less like cash-grabs / get more subs".

I think that aspect was covered under 'consequences' in their discussion - I guess you could call it difficulty but your point was adressed.

EQN is going to be a re-imagined Norrath (barely recognizable really) and then an ongoing story akin to the GW2 living story concept. It's an MMORPG (I use the term rpg lightly). Probably limited building taken from EQNL. EQNL is minecraft game first and testing ground for EQN designs second...

I can only answer that for myself but I played EVE as long as EQ and possibly longer and actually have that itch to sub again because of the last few pages. I usuall tire of the setting, I just prefer a low fantasy setting to space or planar stuff. I've said plenty of times that fantasy-EVE...

Does EVE count? (although that too had its shares of issues at first afaik)

Repeating Khane here, but do you really think that? They're stumbling through the dark and every other interview has a facepalm regarding their concepts or lack thereof.

An immersive MMO experience is what I want. That's why I was/am interested in this project, and that's why I post in the respective armchair development thread of the month. I'm not married to Brad making that game though. I was certainly eager to find out what he has in store before the KS...

I do agree that Kirun isnt exactly making neutral observations here, but that question piqued my interest: Does EVE Online count? A reply along the lines of being too different from DIKU would be absolutely ok, but that aside it's pretty niche and allows you to form your own networks and define...

Your position is just as shaky, because the simple truth is the KS did (does) suck, and that cant be dismissed and is at least partially to blame. If the KS was great and failed I'd agree with you. We'll never know because they blew it. Last year in this very thread I said I think they could get...

Exactly my stance. I want the type of game they are talking about. I even have zero baggage with Brad, never played VG. But just judging from their efforts and their KS and the planning and work that went into that (an afternoon's worth, if that), as much as I want a new immersive MMO world...

Fair enough on calling people out. And yea that's the game I want, but I no longer have faith in this project being it even if they had the funds, because of the missing preparation, organization and enthusiasm.

I think the disconnect lies in this quoted assumption. I dont expect to be able or willing to throw 30+ hours per week at a modernized EQ. With your own statement about your workload, would you expect game design to account for that and keep you caught up to the lets say second-best tier like...

Because this project had a MUCH better KS presentation and detailed plans for the money. It also identified their niche and targeted it, instead of going "uh like Everquest, no wait, like VG, but what do you think about group finder?". Ever, Jane had it it's shit together, cant say that for...

Shaman update will be "lol shaman go play WoW, instead here's the Necromancer!!!111" On a more serious note, wizard update didnt thrill me, stupid subclass names - then again I wont play one (and the game wont be made, hi booze). Maybe you can discover some necro abilities as shaman or wizard...

They shouldnt make bosses smart, they should make them believable (within the world they are creating, no "lol but fireballz!!1" please). They should make their whole world believable. If you have a dragon some degree of intelligence is plausible, if you have a giant but-creature it might just...

I find that focused vision missing from all this, but people have been harping on that enough. As is, I'm not certain if this the game I'm wanting because he actually brought up 'porting to dungeons/groups' as a valid idea, seems to go away from world design in favor of one-town-fits-all...

Spell interactions in EQ were decent, much less instant abilities too so you could generally do something if you paid attention. For my tastes melee were button-starved though. Not that i want to mash them every 1.5 secs, but more options then kick and slam would have been nice. Although if I...

Eh I paid $100 and dont read shit - I dont complain either though. Game's gonna change alot until open beta, no point in worrying now. If I had to voice one concern right now it's the size of the island, need to be much bigger landmasses for each. Ideally I would want to be able to run in one...

Sounds interesting but I agree that it's far less special these days. Like you say it's basically the mob/player broadcasting their move which is standard in many newer games and there it even plays off animations instead of the UI (which I prefer, play the game not the UI). If they went with...