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  1. Shonuff

    Adventures with lyrical - buying a business

    By wily, if you mean business practices, they don"t do that. A lot of times, we are competing on bids, and they know that if their family member"s company wins, they don"t get paid from it. There is a reason why they don"t work with family members. If they share business practices, it will be...
  2. Shonuff

    Adventures with lyrical - buying a business

    We"ve taken a viewpoint in Business and Finance that we don"t talk politics. A guy a few pages back got infracted for it. Politics is just something that can"t be intelligently discussed on FOH. I know what you are trying to say about having a mature conversation, but we don"t need any of the...
  3. Shonuff

    Most memorable comic book moments

    This is from the Iron Man storyline ("Demon in the Bottle") that influenced John Favreau a lot in the movie. I remember that this was the first time a superhero ever showed his ass. Up until then, superheroes were morally perfect. There was another storyline where the Avengers are getting beat...
  4. Shonuff

    Most memorable comic book moments

    Professor X needs to stay the hell away from the Phoenix Force. Also, very hard to believe that Cyclops would kill him and show no remorse. Arbitrary is right, the way Marvel handled him is disgusting. He"s been a hero since the 60"s, now he commits destruction on a global level and killed...
  5. Shonuff

    Getting an organic listing on google

    I just checked, and what"s funny is that in Yahoo, we have organic listings in every city and suburb we do business in. It"s Google that we don"t.
  6. Shonuff

    Getting an organic listing on google

    I countered it, explaining that he held the check up and demanded 1/3 of the bill, for no other reason than he wanted the money from insurance to go to him. I"ve also reported it for abuse, as I have a signed copy of the contract in hand.
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    Most memorable comic book moments

    How long before he goes into the Thunderbolts program?
  8. Shonuff

    Most memorable comic book moments

    And I hate the way they wrote him that he didn"t give a shit about killing his father. It"s like the writers were trying to make him like Magneto, but even Magneto would care about that.
  9. Shonuff

    Most memorable comic book moments

    Tablets are great for comics, using an Ipad myself. They are within one inch the size of the paper comic.
  10. Shonuff

    Most memorable comic book moments

    OK, AvX12, which was the ending of the series, really sucked hard as far as endings go. What a lame crossover, that was even worse than the Midgard serpent crossover. We haven"t had a good Marvel crossover since the ones with Norman Osborn.
  11. Shonuff

    Defrauding Facebook blackhat thread

    Thanks for moving this thread back where it belongs.
  12. Shonuff

    Getting an organic listing on google

    Those are signed contracts for the week.
  13. Shonuff

    Getting an organic listing on google

    I"m not putting my keywords for all to see, on advisement by someone in this thread. As they said in a PM, if they are turning this high a profit, it"s proprietary. Really, all I did was take the logical search terms and revise them over about four years. Also, the other calls came from the...
  14. Shonuff

    Getting an organic listing on google

    Thanks for the input, all. This thread has been a big help to me. I went through and pulled out all of the advertising reports for August, and here are the results: 9-8-12 Report: internet tree service, 200, 325 internet company name, 250 Referral, internet tree 50 9-14-12 Report...
  15. Shonuff

    Getting an organic listing on google

    I never go to yahoo, but today, but I went on there and saw only one review for my business, and it was negative. No bullshit, it was an emergency job where he was going to lose his house if the work wasn"t done, insurance paid the money, and then he cashed the check and refused to pay me unless...
  16. Shonuff

    Getting an organic listing on google

    As woeful as my Internet strategy is, we picked up just under 6k in sales this week from it. Repeat customer that went to the site: $900, 2075 Google what we do: 325, 800, 375, 475, 1,000 I think we are still leaving money on the table, I"ll continue to hone what we do.
  17. Shonuff

    Getting an organic listing on google

    I have no idea what any of you are saying .
  18. Shonuff

    Getting an organic listing on google

    Thanks for the info, I have a lot to work on it seems.
  19. Shonuff

    Adventures with lyrical - buying a business

    You are talking $100 a month? Just buy the ones with the cheaper outlay initially, and sell one more fish a month. It"s like Robert Kiyosaki said, when you own a business, if you want something, just go out and sell more widgets. Keep the extra money for working capital, you"ll need it until you...
  20. Shonuff

    Adventures with lyrical - buying a business

    And that being said, I just realized that the last two days I ran bids, we sold 25k in work. We always raise more when I"m there. I worked in sales awhile, I need my estimator and secretary to sell as well as I do. The secretary is where she should be, but my estimator, who is a technical type...
  21. Shonuff

    Adventures with lyrical - buying a business

    I know you aren"t disagreeing, but business owners can almost never step back. They do the same things they did 30 years ago. For example, I drove around bidding jobs today (picked up 5k in work, not a bad day), and one of my competitors was following me around trying to bid behind me. It"s...
  22. Shonuff

    Adventures with lyrical - buying a business

    I want get to the point where we are doing 100k every month, instead of 60k, at which point, I"ll make roughly 50k net profit. A few years from now, the business will be paid off, and then we"ll be that much better off. And then I want to own several more businesses this size. I want to have...
  23. Shonuff

    Adventures with lyrical - buying a business

    Only when the stars align, we have lots of emergency jobs, everyone is focused, and we don"t have any bug equipment repairs that month. That has happened three times in the last four years where there are no problems, and customers are signing up and paying what we ask.
  24. Shonuff

    Getting an organic listing on google

    I"m spending about $550 a month on internet advertising. It helps that my competitors are brain dead and have no web presence.
  25. Shonuff

    Adventures with lyrical - buying a business

    In our niche, we are the largest in the area. We make more only because we are in the service industry, and after 45k in sales, the only costs are labor and gas.
  26. Shonuff

    Adventures with lyrical - buying a business

    I posted more of what we do on page one, at the end of the first post. We are adjacent to the construction and landscaping industries, as subcontractors. Coincidentally, we just ate at the country club and met a landscaper who need our services, he"s not specialized enough to do it. It is...
  27. Shonuff

    Getting an organic listing on google

    It was AT&T yellow pages, they have brought me business on the paper side. I have no idea what the hell Fiverr is.
  28. Shonuff

    Getting an organic listing on google

    Do you believe that only 40% of viewers go to the google banner, and the other 60 goes to the organic listing? Because we are generating about 10k a month in sales off of the banner ad. So that would mean there is another 15k we are leaving on the table?
  29. Shonuff

    Adventures with lyrical - buying a business

    Here is something I was working on the other day. It is our average month (with just crew 1). It"s not a bad one, it"s not one where we get a bunch of emergency work and we can charge whatever we want. What has happened is that we run two crews for a little, and then lay off two guys and merge...
  30. Shonuff

    Adventures with lyrical - buying a business

    We are expanding to an adjacent city of 150k people as we speak. I just committed to $5k a year in that city"s yellow pages as well as a radio campaign yesterday, and I"ll be signing a contract on a billboard on the main street where the corporate offices are. But I can"t expand too wide...
  31. Shonuff

    Adventures with lyrical - buying a business

    I was thinking the same thing. In a small town like that, it doesn"t sound like there is any room to grow. Why sell 100 fish a month max, when you could sell that in a week?
  32. Shonuff

    Adventures with lyrical - buying a business

    I"ve seen so many nightmares with family owned businesses. 90% of them get along dysfunctionally. If they aren"t taking out all of the cash they can legally, they are sneaking in the cash register stealing. Or they are banging the employees and risking a huge lawsuit. Or they aren"t pulling...
  33. Shonuff

    Adventures with lyrical - buying a business

    Be real, you"ll do the same when once you get established. It is the way of things.
  34. Shonuff

    Adventures with lyrical - buying a business

    Congrats on reading through their B.S. If there is one thing you get from this thread, is that there is a lot of B.S. out there, if you can see it and assess the potential damage, you are doing good. I would not build up a clientele and then worry about having to move. And I don"t know how...
  35. Shonuff

    Adventures with lyrical - buying a business

    I won"t go into business with family or friends. My one friend is a Sales Manager at a dealership, and has been approached by the manufacturer to be a possible minority dealer. We could both go in and get a dealership, between my analytical skills (I worked in the industry as a Manufacturer"s...
  36. Shonuff

    Adventures with lyrical - buying a business

    Getting too many family members involved can be the kiss of death. I"ve seen that time and time again. They just want to pull their cut out of the business, and none of them want to reinvest. Brutal, how many family members are taking their cut out of the ranch, and how are you being...
  37. Shonuff

    Adventures with lyrical - buying a business

    Specialization has it advantages. For instance, a construction company is building a gas station here, and they can"t make the lot look pretty. Or we deal with landscaping companies that do just low end stuff, that have to have us do their above ground stuff (for lack of skills and equipment)...
  38. Shonuff

    Adventures with lyrical - buying a business

    Feel free to type it out. Over the years, typing stuff in this thread has helped me "figure" things out. If you are bottlenecked by land, it sounds like you need more land. I don"t know enough about it, I"ve just seen people with 500-1000 cattle do well at it. It sounds like if you want to...