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My instinct is that you're wrong here Ut. As noted, I'd given up on SOE but now the tea leaves suggest some unholy combination of Storybricks, Sandboxiness, Jeff Butler and Pixie Dust has turned it around for EQN. We'll see in 7 days. Edit: Well unless the FTP model ends up screwing...

I think you can put in consequences for fuckheadedness: you start pking the world treats you as a killer, KOS in towns, you start burning down forests all NPC druids and wild animals hate you and you're KOS in the wild. Etc.

I cant see SOE thinking this far ahead. I think they lucked out on the storybricks ai stuff.

Georgeson is a concern. Butler has creative experience at Sigil and at SOE (you forget that he was head of the unnamed-most-likely-EQN prototype team that formed right after SOE bought Sigil) though I'm certainly pleased they hired Trost (presumably to help fill in the blanks). Though the...

Hi Ut. You forget that I (and a few others in this thread) liked Vanguard. Despite (and in the case of the bugavator becasuse of) the many bugs, and before it got thrashed post-APW/FTP it was probably my favorite game, even over EQ. So I've got no problem with Butler as Creative Director. I...

I don't mind paying money for something I like ($180/year no problem), I just don't like the FTP model precisely because it is designed to nickel and dime you, however the market has spoken and the idiots want FTP instead of PTP. @Gask fair enough but I still think there's only so much...

I have no idea what this means. And with respect to the content comments: I'm all for keeping old content relevant for as long as possible but at some point it has to become passe or your players aren't advancing in any meaningful way. That said, I can think of a lot of Smedley and Producer...

I can't imagine SOE not doing this. Easy $$$ for them and Sony Games had a horrible fiscal year.

How did this work for PS2?

http://autos.yahoo.com/news/hackers-...010808189.html

I don't see a problem with two threads. A newsy SOE Live thread and commentary here. Just easier for folks to find info if we start a new thread and put the key information in the OP as we get it.

Fair enough. Anyway, we shall see if lightning has struck twice ("One small step for man...") or if EQN is all smoke and mirrors ("Oh, the humanity..."). If convo or someone else doesn't beat me to it, I'm starting an SOE Live Live thread on the 1st.

Eh. Verant was spun off from SOE and, AFAIK, existed mainly as a mechanism to transfer money from Sony to the various folks at Verant when it was acquired. Stock options on shell companies for the win. In any event most (all?) of the key people at Verant are back working for Sony now

Smed has promised a playable alpha/beta of the game, not a demo for SOE Live. We shall see.

Except the combat is insane.

Less fun for people who want to grief without consequences. As for less realistic, give me a break, you don't get to randomly gank people in the real world without consequences.

Nobody knows anything for sure.

That was my original supposition, but the deleted bit in the last mini-video release convinced me that they expect the players to help them build the world and since it is mostly non-instanced that means building during beta or live.

What are you talking about? Cars always explode when they hit things. I've seen it happen many times on the Simpsons and in many Arnold Schwarzenegger movies. -_-

I get what you meant but there's other stuff going on in the background beyond just skilling up in carpentry. A player or dev has to design the keep elements (moat, bridge, main gate, chapel, etc) that's where the project spark/player studio stuff comes into play. We've been talking about two...

Keanu is watching you.

You'll get no argument from me that the GOP leadership in the House (Boehner, Cantor, Ryan & co.) is beyond salvage, though the Dem leadership (Pelosi & co.) is just as bad. Our Government is not run for the benefit of the People but for the benefit of those in Government. Expect to find out...

Eh no. I'm pretty sure of about 80% of what we're going to get (seemless world, EVElike PvP, original continents, player created content, storybricks AI mobs, storybricks quests) so I'm mostly interested in that 20% I know I don't know and have been unable to guess at based on the hints, tweets...

I own this long on HSX. I don't see any reason to sell.

It's option 2, mostly. I don't know where you got this fixation that player created content has to be instanced. Smedley's examples of world-changing by players were mostly in-world (e.g. burning down a forest). Project Spark-like tools are much better for in-world creation than making...

SOE was smart enough to call it a sandbox.

I'll add it's not going to ship complete they're going to ship as soon as they can and we the beta testers and early players get to help fill out the world.

It is our destiny. Might as well accept it as I have with EVElike PvP. Also Bill Trost just rejoined SOE and is working on EQN so the circle is now complete, all the classic-era EQ devs are back at SOE and most are working on EQN.

Depends heavily on the EQN reveal though of course there's always EQMac to fall back on. Speaking of EQN. I'm now firmly in the Beta starts* on August 6th, release this year if at all possible, early next year if not, camp. Draegen better get his site up soon. *Start means a...

Fippy & Vulak January or Feburary 2011.

Nose is all wrong.

What's my kind?

I certainly grieved last time I played on a PvP server...

I didn't say I wanted EQ:N to be like EVE, I said EQ:N will have EVE elements - whether I want them or not. I am hoping those elements are limited to a big continent to fight over resources but most of the world has limited to no PvP. We'll see in 8 1/2 days.

I think we all agree that it is likely that EQN will have FFA PvP ruleset servers. I won't be playing on those servers/that server but I hope you have a ton of fun there.

It doesn't matter. There will be some form of world PvP in EQN. I'm just hoping it's not Nirgon's worldwide gankfest if you're w/n 4 levels and more along the lines of EVE's security sectors where Nirgon can fight over unobtanium in Odus 0.0 whilst I just worry about ogres and gnolls in Qeynos...

PvP is a pointless ego-grind unless it is truly part of the game. You want to act like a bandit and rob other PCs? Game should treat you like a bandit - you should end up only able to socialize with other player-bandits and NPC bandits.. You basically become a Player run mob out there in...

I doubt it will be monetized like that. More like player studio. You can sell a keep wall or wizard tower or big rug. Not whole dungeons. SOE will control content via procedural rules/AI. No 50 ogres in one room to aoe. edit: maybe you can stick 50 ogres in one room but they won't stay...

What Quaid said, also one of the devs retracted a project spark related tweet. edit: or rather I'm unable to find it on twitter. I don't think anyone outside of soe and storybricks is in the current alpha. I suspect some people (hi2u Zehn) were in previous alphas and it was partly due to...

I posted this back around e3 but eqn creation tools will be much more project spark than dungeon maker. http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/07/19/project-spark-little-hype-lots-to-like