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DLC's but no patch? Might just pirate it... seems at least then I'd know who my money wasn't going to.

I thought about trolling with a KS project that was the equivalent of the ebay sellers who sell people pictures of an Xbox. Would have to be very clever with wording, but that would be most of the fun: Pantytheon: rise of the falley is a MMO vision in the vein of old school MMOS where...

Sorry, I was looking for more than a yes/no. That's usually the point of communicating, instead of just googling something. Thanks ThunderCFB. Sometimes things have controller support that sucks and people can be like 'yes, it does, but it's clunky and sucks' and I'll be like 'thanks for...

Did it have controller support? I might get it if I can play it on my Nvidia Shield on the TV. Not sure if I want to sit at my desk to play it though. How fickle am I? :/

Yeah, rabid, ignorant fans/customers suggest stupid shit all the time. It's the job of the professionals to, umm, be professional and not just throw shit up without any thought just because a few idiots said it was a good idea. And the smart way to do it is at least pretend you're still...

My guess is we end up with some sad sort of situation where they struggle to get a game half-made for years and years, but somehow the devs manage to keep suckering money out of people. Like Darkfall with it's 10 year development cycle that never really managed to put itself out of being...

What do you mean? We got two cities from a project years ago, and two characters that they couldn't even say "this is the -insert- race" because honestly they were probably for another project as well. Well, the female character art looks like she may be slightly orc, so perhaps they've so far...

Maybe we should have a Rerolled forum badge for people paying for a Pantheon [forum] subscription. That way we don't have to read their posts before realizing they're idiotic and not worth reading. Even most shitty tv shows don't want a bunch of idiots thinking they're "giving advise" to the...

It's that strange situation where he's the only one pursuing this sort of game, in part because he's made it seem to everyone else that it's not worth pursing. If he can't do it, nobody can, because nobody will, because he keeps fucking it up to the point he's the only one willing to keep doing...

They can, because they claim people were asking/begging for the option, and they were simply giving the fans what they wanted. Enter every slippery slope argument ever, as the devs should be the responsible parental figures in all this, not just caving to try to look cool or be the popular...

This is the exact stage you want to show some level of professionalism and competence! Not: Hey, I have an idea, all I need is some cash so I can start executing BLUNDER BLUNDER BLUNDER! Wait, come back, I have an idea like everyone else in the fucking world! Literally, at this point...

Yeah, so is a KS if handled correctly. So is MS giving you 40 million if handled correctly. So is going to a private investor or publisher if handled correctly. I'm starting to think the problem never was the vehicle, but the 'handled correctly' part of the equation.

Glenn, the smart one, the quick one, the evasive one... finally thinks to actually put on riot armor, then stops all momentum to slowly walk into zombies to let them swarm him. Melodrama for the sake of a television audience. Show is somehow getting worse.

They'll basically hope to get enough private donations to start up a studio that out of the gates will be living month to month. How could that go wrong?!

Seriously, we're already back to e-peening about EQ and calling people faggots because they don't want to play GW2 or TESO? Let's spend a bit more time watching Pantheon crumble, shall we?

But of course! I'd have it no other way.

Yet the UO model with Lord British himself is up and running and even thriving (relatively to WoW). NEXT.

I'm real mad, bros! I've very disheartened at the way the Pantheon Kickstarter was started, but even more so with how they're finishing it. It seems to me they've given up. They were basically absent for a week, and when they come back it's clear they weren't working on something to get the...

So, the winners in all this that proved to be cunning veterans and visionaries are the Project99 guys? Have they gotten a big boost from the publicity of all this and the amount of people playing P99 'until' Pantheon, or does it just seem that way? Was this all a conspiracy of the P99 guys...

So, the donations will have a higher percent going to the game development, the tiers will be fixed as they finally learned what players want, and the new website will be the community that the KS and fan forums just couldn't be.... Wow, great, why didn't they just skip KS all together...

We need someone to make a "LEAVE BRAD ALONE" video.

Because you've been vacationing in the Mediterranean on Zenimax's private yacht, the SS Shill, with Blackwulf!

First thing a good CEO would do is close the project down. So, really, it's a catch-22 and I understand Brad's position on the issue.

I'm sure there's a whole group of Devs right now huddled around the computer, reading this thread, laughing their asses off at how hard they've been trolling Ut.

It would be cool if they did cool things with it and they weren't just trinket items. How to balance creating 10-20 duplicates of your character to be used as minions? Nerbait if it's any good, fun but pointless trinket if it's not, etc. The only way, and the cool way, would be to make shit...

Why didn't they just make this a single player game with multi-player adventure dungeons people could connect to privately or on public servers, and with the huge PvP zone people could connect to. Seems like they spent a ton of money to just end up with the equivalent of a lobby anyhow. And...

This project is far from over. If you know the slightest bit about the Classic EQ/Verant era community, then you know we are not a group of people to be taken lightly when it comes to gaming. Believe me when I say this community is just barely learning of Pantheon...

Ben responds: At what point are they going to learn to not release incomplete shit? Yes, in general, feel free to explain shit you're releasing instead of just shitting it out and being like 'oh, what, what is going on here, oh goodness, let us explain!" Let me guess, they're also not forum...

Just pointing out the screenshots are absolutely beautiful and reminds me a lot of Vanguard's graphics, which I loved. I just so excited to be a part of this future game as it comes to life!

Should he spend money buying sushi for them when McDonald's will do?

Latest screenshots are beautiful and impressive. The graphical style reminds me a lot of Vanguard. Really looking good. I mean, wow! So stunning. Nice visuals? Very beautiful? I want to go to there! And I like seeing those atmospherics as well... clouds add a lot of drama. Landscapes I...

And since Sigil, what has he done? Failed to start a few companies/games and gotten paid as a grunt dev for SOE? I'm sure Jacobs got paid bank for WAR while Brad was blowing what was left of his fortune on whatever social media game/company he was working on that went nowhere.

I'm pretty sure if Brad had several hundred thousand bucks freed up enough he could, himself, donate the KS, he'd at least have been smart enough to self-fund early portions of this project instead of going to KS destitute and begging for a chance to even start working toward his redemption...

Wait, later in his response: So, I guess he's not going to give being CEO another shot.

Interesting responses from Brad on thatmmo-champion thread: For Brad's sanity I hope he pulls a few miracles out of his ass.

Does. Not. Compute, because my problem is I spend 95% of my time gaming alone even trying to enjoy MMOs. So figure I may as well just play single player games until something more lasting or worthwhile comes out. And I tried to get into FF:ARR since my Vanguard guild was playing it, but ugh...

Apparently the official site went down, and now it's back up... and people are "Subbed n ready to go!" and "Woot! Excited about the 15/month option. Finally something worthwhile to subscribe to again." I keep seeing discussions by people who can't afford to donate for actual rewards being...

Hah, fair enough. No wonder you're so fucking bitter, though! I try to mix in good games occasionally so my mmo playing doesn't get me down.

Did you donate to Kingdom Come: Deliverance? That's a game I'll probably enjoy and trust will get finished, but also a company and presentation I can respect so even if I wasn't sure I'd love the game, would have still considered pledging. If you didn't, I'm calling bullshit on your...

Not to mention it could be an issue with unemployment. If the ones who were laid of really were, and not fired or quit in a huff or something, and they're drawing unemployment, that means they need to still be looking for work, first off, and my guess is most of them are doing exactly that, and...