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Or I happen to be a research psychologist and know more about these subjects than random trolls on an internet titty-posting forum. Seriously, it's a bunch of people arguing about psychology and statistics with someone who is a psychologist and a statistician. I didn't make Cad cite specific...

Just about every psychology textbook from the era.

What the fuck does that have to do with occupational choices? We're talking about forebrain functions.

But in the other 99.99% (repeating of course) of the population, that biological urge has been converted to the urge to fling 'shit words' at people, aka swearing. And social structure is so powerful that it suppresses the urge to fling shit words at people in most normal social settings, again...

I did read what you wrote, you said video games, trying to make the link that exposure to video games increases ones propensity towards computer programming. But not all video games are violent, women play far more casual video games than men, they just play fucking Bejeweled or Candy Crush or...

And yet the opposite was considered true all through the 40s, 50s and 60s, becausesocietywas structured differently.

Do humans still fling their shit at people like primates? No, they just swear instead.

Professional computer programming is not solitary, and does not involve violence or hand-eye coordination. Regardless, where's your evidence that the 'male propensity' for solitary activities is a biological one? The rates of being classified as an introvert (which has a strong biological...

That raspy cigarette voice that smoking chicks have is my biggest turnoff.

The new client is based on a framework they can actually adapt and improve, where the old one wasn't. There's a much better chance that V4 will get better than V3 ever getting any better. That said, right now it's a piece of shit and you'd think they'd have been further along after all this...

All of the neuroscience evidence against free will pertains only to 'intention to move' and other lesser motion behaviors, and have absolutely nothing to do with complex behaviors or higher level decision making.

Oh yeah, the 100+ year old nature vs nuture arguments weren't enough, let's fucking go into some 2500+ year old navel gazing on the nature of free will. I mean, fuck, why not?

Primate biological forces created early primate social forces. Social forces compounded over time as society became more complex once we started evolving away from the other primates, and even more so once we developed civilization. Primate biological forces diminished over time in relevance...

I have Tanoomba's posts on ignore. They're awful.

Are you saying Cad is a softball thrower now? Cad has been the pillar that everyone else used for support while attacking me for the past 191 pages.

How is it in shambles when Cad just agreed with my original argument?

So you think the primitive part of our brain that gives us little more than the desire to shit, eat and fuck has a huge influence on our desire to write recursively linked lists in Java? Which of us is out of their mind exactly?

I actually just want colleges to enforce the drinking laws that we as a society have already agreed upon.

No, that's EXACTLY what I said from the start. Small biological forces are multiplied (you said snowballed) by massive societal forces to create the outcomes we see in society. And I specifically said that (western) society DOESN'T need to change and that gender roles have proven to be a...

They're not oddly specific. They're examples of high level intellectual functions not found in nature, skills we invented after the development of the new parts of our brain.

No, mothers are still going to mother and men are still going to be violent. But that's the result of hormones (both in the moment hormones and hormonal effects on brain development over one's lifetime) and not at-birth brain structure. And those hormones are influenced by social factors as...

Okay, fine, show that male chimps like writing computer code more than female chimps. And then, assuming you had a big sample of chimps, even if you found that the male chimps like writing computer code 10% more than the female chimps do, you'd still have a bunch of outlier female chimps that...

So your example is something both genders do. Good work.

No, my argument is that those instincts from the old parts of our brain didn't translate to the new behaviors we developed with the new parts of our brain. If you could teach chimps to write computer algorithms, then show that the male chimps are better at it than the female chimps, then you...

It didn't show science. It showed some people talking about science. Science would actually be looking at their fucking data, which they didn't show other than vaguely pointing at a screen and wiggling their fingers.

What 'worldview' are you even talking about? I've said that I think western societies are in a good place as far as gender roles are concerned, I've said we don't need to take additional steps to normalize gender participation for most occupations. I'm not screaming patriarchy here. I'm...

I said probably, it was clearly an opinion.

People keep bringing up the documentary as if it wasn't the very definition of cherrypicking evidence to support a hypothesis. Again, that is not how science works. You make a hypothesis and then you do your best to ATTACK the hypothesis. Again, that's why that documentary was bullshit...

I responded to the one scientific article you linked. Where's the rest of your supposed evidence? What are the rest of your 'points?'

Where's your heaps of fucking evidence? It's the internet, you can find evidence to support ANY STUPID VIEWPOINT YOU WANT within 3 clicks of a Google search. There's a reason people go to fucking college to learn shit instead of just reading wikipedia all day. If you think you can settle a...

There's fucking a dozen of you clowns posting at any given time, I'll respond to whatever the fuck I feel like.

I never disagreed with the idea of gender roles, I disagreed with the fact that they were largely biologically driven. Societies, and people, need structure and setting up rough guidelines for roles and behaviors based on gender has been demonstrated to be generally positive. What's bad is...

I specifically said it was a good thing.

But we'vedone the science, and the biological forces at work are tiny and the social forces at work are absolutely MASSIVE. It's not 1%/99%, its probably more like 20%/80%. But let's go down this rabbit hole. What if we had good, solid scientific evidence that says that the overwhelming...

Yeah the extra 80 billion or so neurons made us quite a bit different. But the real difference is that we developed language and it massively changed how our brains evolved after that. Language doesn't just allow us to communicate with other people, it also gives us the ability to have...

So did women suddenly sprout the balls to start hitting back biologically, or was it a social adaptation?

I'll take 100-year-old Invalidated Arguments for 800, Alex.

You think those overly broad categories are meaningful in any way? I mean, standing outside someone's window with a boombox and raping them are about the same thing...

I think that evolutionary forces in the natural world created lasting, self-reinforcing social structures that caused a mostly beneficial social separation of gender roles.

What the fuck are you even talking about? But seriously, I'm not going to defend my assertions against 20+ mostly ignorant people who think building strawmen is the key to good arguing. I'm not submitting a doctoral thesis to be attacked via a committee of clowns on every single point I have...