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We need a pool on when the kickstarter hits. I'm betting later than earlier. I was thinking this week but now I'm thinking they'll delay till last week in January at the earliest and possibly wait until Feb. They want to: 1. Information about the kickstarter to fully flow out before they...

Bees? You want to know about fucking bees? Here's the lowdown on the western honeybees - it is going the way of the dodo, the passenger pigeon and the western black rhino. Oh and there's this -> One-Third of U.S. Honeybee Colonies Died Last Winter, Threatening Food Supply - Wired Science

Jane's Rift? -------------- Rift was awful. As a friend pointed out, you start out fighting a battle at the end of the world and then get summoned back in time because you're some kind of super hero and the first thing you get asked to do by the people you summoned is kill rabbit-pigs or...

Pretty much. If Pantheon has an expansion with floating island in space - then yeah, lets have flying mounts usable in that region.

If you're lucky you'll get a comment in the Politics thread as to your deceasement.

Don't get retarded. -Potato Chips v. Carrot Chips? -Mashed Potatos v. Mashed Carrots -French Fries v. Fried Carrot slices. Unless you're into looking like Boehner, carrots are, and will always be, a tertiary vegetable.

It trivializes my favorite kind of "dungeon" - non-instanced outdoor adventure areas like Rhaz Inkur in Vanguard. Which means designers have to only put in caves or put in stupid crap like "no fly zones" for no apparent reason. And, as Bruman & Dumar said said it makes travel safe, unless...

. Vanilla wow had its adventuring areas and around each area was crap, unfinished terrain, impassible mountains and etc. I don't think you explored the outer boundaries as much as you think you did. It was zoned.

The sky isn't falling, no need.

@Yanger yeah an issue with seemless is that it seems to always come with mob leashing. You don't really need super smart Ai to make trash mobs challenging if they all behave like gnolls in black burrow. I think zones are more efficient - no worries about spending time on transition art or...

Not if grown Scandinavian style with water that has been purified.

so no training to zoneline?

The blood of rerolled's Pacific Bluefin Tuna eaters is on your hands. Except Araysar. Who really cares if he drops dead? .

That's why I also plant sweet potatoes Difficult to make microchips when the logistics chain is kaput.

Vanilla WoW was zoned. Just seemless transitions. @Yanger. EQ zones were cool.

Yes as you and Creed pointed out. I'm talking about all the extra art assets used to connect the various dungeons, towns and other pois in vanguard. You could theoretically make a very small seemless world equivalent in size to vanilla eq's faydwer zones. However, in that case, I'd would...

You mean zones?

What are you not getting?

@Quaid deduction, not just for dinner.

I'm surprised this is open to question. VG was seemless and cost 5x more than EQ. Majority of which was spent on art. EQ - 8 million. VG - 40 to 45 million. What the hell other proof do you need?

No. This game only succeeds if Brad & co. stay focused. Fucking around building a seemless world is not staying focused, it just adds art costs, development time and debug/qa time without increasing the fun factor. Zoned are cheaper, more efficient and more than sufficient for fun game play...

Seemless is 5x the cost unless you're okay with craptastic generic, repeated art. Most of VG's budget was blown on the art assets for the seemless world.

@Xaxius no way can NewCo afford the art costs of a seemless world. @ Drakurii evolving weapons are cool, I'm personally not interested in evolving armor. I want some loot to look forward too.

VG2 but with some instances, eq loot, combat in-between eq and vg (with otdt and virtual group targeting). Very interested to see how the combat improvements will play out.

seems like there will be some instanced run through dungeons in the design based on Brad's suddenly gaining access to a new dungeon in order to level comment. But I am with you in preferring camp and pull non instanced dungeons so I hope there will be some of those as well. If they do have...

VG craptastic minimap wasn't bad, but I'll take no mini map over GPS. I actually like floating numbers. Means I don't have to check my log andcan stay looking at the world. Useful if you happen to forget your guy was equipped with a pick axe not a sword when you logged the night before.

Maybe NewCo can sell design your own guild flags at a reward level so you can get a unique flag for RPP (you know me).

Nah. Reverse osmosis water filtration solves that problem. Think more proactively old chum.

Damn. I wish I'd titled this thread: Time to Stop Eating Fish and Start Growing Potatoes (Fukushima Round Two) The Potatoes are the perfect survival food: I never knew the Scandinavian method of planting. Thanks for helping me find the link Araysar! You're a good chum!

You say that now but when you've been starving for a week you're going to be handing over some of your Krugerrands for my potatoes. Potatoes are: 1. Easy to grow. 2. Easy to grow. 3. Easy to grow. 4. Fun and tasty. Growing Potatoes

So literal, are all liberals so literal? I'll have some potatoes, some sweet potatoes, and with some luck maybe those yams that you use to make poison arrows. Also various legumes. Hopefully eggs too but I won't be trading the eggs.

Tannlin also has short excerpts of this thread on his pantheonrotf reddit - nothing that gogojira hasn't covered but useful if you can't read rerolled at work and don't want to get eyestrain from your phone.

Why? You want to trade?

Barter. It's what's for dinner (tm).

Where have you been?

Not in the amounts or form necessary to buy goods if it's the end of civilization. I take it your pockets are lined with Krugerrands?

Red Pandas v. Chinese Pandas is more important for the inevitable Panda-based race.

Cash? Who carries cash these days?

What's happening in 2026? Civil War? In which case the Fed drones will be busy elsewhere.

Even if they sold them you couldn't, all their computers would be down, your car wouldn't work, neither would gasoline pumps. I think you'd be a little more worried about the exploding ethanol train, the nuclear meltdown or the leaking chemical plant than finding telegraph parts.