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You'd think that right? But AFAIK, no one has copied Blizz in the one thing they did absolutely perfectly - build one zone and then spend your time getting your combat engine and basic class mechanics working right in that one zone - and do not fuck around spending money on anything else...

I'm aware of that and Blizzard is wrong - if someone every creates a WoW clone but instead of copying everything Blizz did including its mistakes, only copies the good (smooth engine, art style with longevity) and replaces the bad (hard 2 factions, gear resets, yada yada yada) with better...

I read this as simultaneously and serendipitously an ad for Birdman is going on to the right of the post in which a muted Michael Keaton seems to be screaming "Yes!. Yes!" and fist-pumping. Seems like the Internet AI approved of your post. In other news, I'll pass on this Progression server...

Pretty much this: which is too bad because an MMO that just fixed WoW's problems would be reasonably nifty. At one point, didn't we all agrees that WoW has the best (aka most fluid) combat engine? But things like the DPS nerf/boring itemization, gear reset, quest running all the time and too...

Pre fuck-you-for-actually-understanding-the-game-better-than-Blizzard nerf items.... and original AV? That's actually... interesting. Edit: WTF, I'm downloading the client and will roll on it when it opens.

I think most of the public info came from some Jeff Butler interview as part of the Early EQNext marketing - I can't find it now - but IIRC the gist was EQ III was aimed at the EQ (not EQII) "hardcore" playerbase. I know a few people who talked with Butler at SOE '13 about it and there was some...

Mage Pets are OP. Death Touch is (was) OP. Don't bother logging in on Day One, it'll be too packed and you won't get any mobs. Otherwise I enjoyed it for the short time I played. I gather the 3 month lockout on the current progression server is a huge pain in the ass.

Is this because you think Blizzard has 0 overhead?

I think we've long established that the MMORPG market is saturated with crap fantasy games which is a far cry from being saturated with games, and, if you really want to split bamboo shoots, has little to do with whether or not the market is saturated with EQ IP games anyway, as we have also...

Level based systems are better than skill-based systems for MMORPGS for all the reasons already discussed, but I'll repeat a couple, time being a flat circle and all. 1. Clear advancement mechanism. "I dinged" vs. "I am now 5% better at mansplaining" 2. Significantly easier for devs to...

No, it says to me that WoW must now have a dreadful 1 to 80 leveling experience.

As usual you're shit posting.

So according to this people shouldn't actually play games? They should just give money to Blizzard/Trion/Daybreak and be given an end-game raider in return and be done with it? Because time invested in playing a game is no different than spending money on what that invested time could have...

F2P always and inevitably leads to P2W. * * * And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, slouches towards Bethlehem waiting to be born. -W.B. Yeats, clearly talking about F2P MMORPGs.

Rage rage against the dying of the light. Do not go gentle into that good night.

F2P is an abomination unto the MMORPG genre: anything obtainable in a game (XP, gold, items, etc) should only be obtainable through playing the game.

I'd love to know where you and Draegan pull out the 50k number for EQ3. I know it's from someone's ass, but I'd like to exactly whose.

They should have released the "improved EQ" version of EQ3 and then sold EQ and EQ2 as a stand alone game allowing peeps to setup their own private servers a la NWN. Not Rocket Science.

Cringe? I'm going to marrystalkthe girl on the right.

They keep using that word "metal" I don't think they know what it means.

There's actually another thread for that apparently none of you can read. So I guess I'll ask here: I'm wondering if y'all are referring to the plane that most of you claimed was in the South Indian Ocean but hasn't been found after almost a year of searching in various spots in the SIO and...

If Smed doesn't get fired soon, it means Epstein and Co and Colombus have no clue about what they've purchased.

Wow. Another True Belieber who can't face facts. Why don't you, Itzena and Justin take a trip to go see the Antarctic Ice Cap that isn't supposed to be there according to your models but still manages to, you know, be there. @1987 wrong thread Edit: My bad for forgetting to stay logged in...

And you've got a whole bunch of Climate Predictions since the 1990s and earlier, none of which have happened. Antarctica? Ice Cap still growing. Artic Ice Cap? It's back too baby. Okay!

Article is correct. Try reading something other then bullshit written by Climate Change True Believers.

Wrong thread.

Carcosa.

You guys have totally made me see the error of my ways: every future MMO (that's not EQ3) should be a WoW Clone because they're totally successful as can be seen by all the awesome WoW clones out there today that we can play and enjoy. Thanks Ukerric. Wildstar is exactly like an official...

Magic. It's all magic. Edit: Beaten by Convo.

This from the guy who's been shit posting for the last umpteen pages. Awesome.

If they're doing Freeport in Voxels then presumably they're doing the other cities in voxels.

Re-read what I wrote. I didn't say you couldn't make nice things with voxels, I said it was significantly harder to make nice things with voxels because you have to do lots of stupid things to, for example, make something look thin.

Math how does it work? 40,000ish people logged into the EQ progression servers at start - that was a little under 10% of the max population for EQ (roughly 500,000 at it's height in 2002 or so). 10% of WoW's max would be between 600,000 or so (using only US numbers).

As I mentioned earlier, I think the people - include former SOE devs - have found out that building an entire world in Voxels was a terrible idea: it's much harder to make really nice looking things with voxels then it is with traditional modeling tools. For example doing something like...

Read EQ2Wire for some Gold standard Smed bashing. The guy is fucking Wormtongue as far as I can figure out.

As long as Smed is running the place don't look for anything good to happen.

If EQ Progression servers are any indication - yes, there's a decent market. @Xaxius unfortunately I agree.

Actually I'm going to go further: You couldn't be more wrong. People want something new, yes, but people also like old familiar things. Look at WoW there is an untapped market for Vanilla WoW/WoW Progression servers that is currently only being met by third parties like Emerald Dream (if it...