A Song of Ice and Fire (Released Spoilers)

Tuco_sl said:

He had a choice between expediting the writing process and giving up and just finishing the HBO series first. He chose the latter.

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I wonder if they are they going to just attempt to do some off the tracks wrap up of the story for the HBO series, or if they will just allow it to abruptly end with the casual viewers wondering why they invested several years in watching a show that has no apparent hope of resolution.

Chanur_sl said:

Dance with Dragons was really pretty good. If you didn't like it I have to wonder what attracted you to the series initially. Perhaps Dragonlance or some more Drizzt would tickle your fancy.

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What attracted me initially was the solid depiction of feudal political intrigue and maneuvering along with skillful writing and engagingly believable characters. Mr. Martin laid out a political framework, fleshed out some interesting characters and let the story flow, no bullshit; just deliberate, well paced and logical character progression. So many authors have their characters just stumble around and blunder into one pivotal scenario after another just because God/Fate/The Author wills it or some other rubbish, it's lazy and poor storytelling.

The reason that I did not enjoy most of the 5th book is because he decided to dig his heels in and throw that wonderful pacing and progression out the window. We are then left with characters who virtually make cameo appearances before vanishing while Jon goes about killing himself, Danny pouts and Tyrion makes us wish that he just had a time skip for the majority of the book. Of course there are several PoV's to enjoy as well but they are comparatively short in length when compared to the above and thus color my view of the novel in a negative light. Though maybe you adored everything about Jon, Danny and Tyrion this time around Chanur, more power to you.

I like the writing. It's good writing.

Honestly, I forgive a lot of the bloat that was in A Dance with Dragons simply for that chapter where Barristan Selmy dons his armor and kicks some ass

His fat ass is gonna croak long before the series is finished.

I'm way past giving a fuck.

Surn_sl said:

Honestly, I forgive a lot of the bloat that was in A Dance with Dragons simply for that chapter where Barristan Selmy dons his armor and kicks some ass

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Yeah, the high points of ADwD were super awesome, the lulls just weren't what people wanted, I don't think, and some people let that color their entire experience.

I think it's a colossal failure of editing more than anything else. It needed tightened up on what was there and it needed 200 more pages to provide a climax to the Winterfell and Meereen incoming battles. There was also some serious overuse of character motifs going on.

It really does feel like it ended 3/4 of the way through the book, like his publishers just finally said "enough is fucking enough". But I figured that was what he was going for, an Empire Strikes Back kind of thing.

Bit disappointing in how it left all those cliffhangers. But considering in the next book ALL of the characters are going to have viewpoints, the first 1/3-1/4 of the book is going to be pretty amazing with all of the stuff that will be presented e.g. What happens to Jon, battle of Winterfell, Meereen, Victarion, Cersei

I found everything that happened in Dorne fucking boooooooring. Killed the 4th book for me.

I have like 10% of ADWD left and i'm entirely bored of it :X Hard to not want to just drop it and read something else, blaah.

Don't be a pussy.

OH I'LL KEEP READING IT BRO, IM IN NO RUSH CONSIDERING WELL NEVER SEE THE NEXT ONE AMIRITE

A pool of depression? *tear*