I took it as the berries fucked her up and she was shitting blood...I totally forgot she has a menstruation cycle at the end of book 5. That makes the story work for me again. I was just caught up thinking about this long, long, very long epic quest to retake the throne in the Targaryen name that was only going to last her lifetime and then fall out again.
Page 939 (hardback):I took it as the berries fucked her up and she was shitting blood...
She goes on to talk about how the flow seems heavier than usual, but I always interpreted it as her having a miscarriage, not as having the Pale Mare (or bloody flux or whatever).When she brought her fingers to her face, she could smell the blood on them.Am I dying?Then she saw the pale crescent moon floating high above the grass, and it came to her that this was no more than her moon blood.
GRRM usually writes one episode a season and is allegedly involved throughout. The episodes he writes usually have the most content that's outside the books and sometimes different from the books. I think this seasons' episode of his was some 90% new material.Does GRRM have anything to do with the writing of the television series? I had wondered to myself if some of the things that have changed were his idea. Maybe stuff he wished he had written differently in the books...
I remind myself constantly that the books and tv series are two separate entities, but I still can't help being that annoying cunt who pipes up during the show "In the book it happened like this!" :/
When I read the book, I came away feeling like Shae didn't give two fucks about Tyrion. She never cared if he did or didn't fuck Sansa, even though he wanted her to care. And then at the trial when she busts out the whole "He made me call him my giant of Lannister" or whatever. That was just cold.
So watching the TV show, I could tell they were making her actually care about him. She was jealous of Sansa. He wasn't sneaking off to fuck her like he was in the book... And now when she testifies against him at the trial, it's bc she's hurt and he broke her heart. I guess it doesn't really change the outcome or the motivation, but for me, the way it happens in the book better justifies his anger and cold-blooded hatred, as he twists the chain around her neck. He loved her and she blind-sided him at the trial. Blind-sided again... by another "whore".
I gotta re-read the last few books, though. I missed half the stuff you guys are pointing out. Jaquen?! Holy hell...
She says it's not the first period she's had since Drogo, but she can't remember when the last one was (the last full moon? the one before that? etc) - further evidence in support of a miscarriage.Yeah when I read the phrase 'it came to her that this was no more than her moon blood' I immediately think miscarriage.
Unless there is more context before that sentence, it honestly sounds more like it's her first menstruation since the blood magic baby, except I'm pretty sure too much time has elapsed for that. Hasn't it been at least a couple years since Drogo died? I've heard of women's cycles being thrown off for a couple months after a traumatic birth/late term miscarriage, but even with crazy witches involved, multiple years seems like too long.
I don't think it's ambiguous at all in either version.As for Shae, in the books and the show her real feelings are a little ambiguous.
Well my memory is shit and you're usually right when we disagree.I don't think it's ambiguous at all in either version.
Book Shae is very clearly using him for money and he's just blind to it because of his own crippling need for affection/pussy. She does not give a fuck about him and it's completely obvious, all their "serious" talks are her bitching about the superficial shit she can't have.
TV Shae genuinely cared for him. In part this is because they were using her as another PoV for Sansa and the character needed fleshed out. But she was absolutely not the vapid moneygrubbing whore that the book version was. This makes her betrayal have more impact. I'm confident that before she gets choked out we will learn how she was coerced in to betraying him on threat of death or something.
I'm not applying shit. I'm saying it doesn't fit and hope they'll reveal more about his motivations. You're pointing to the single piece of evidence that defers from everything we know about him and points to him wanting to have kinky sex and saying that's his motivation. No it's not wild conjecture, it just doesn't fit.Yeah threat of death might not come in to it since she felt so betrayed by Tyrion for sending her away. Because she's a stupid whore.
As for why Tywin brought her in to his room? I don't get why so many people refuse to believe he just wanted to get his dick wet. People apply all these weird motivations and values to him that are based on nothing but their own wild conjecture. Dude wanted to fuck.
Doesn't fit with what? The fact he's not banging hookers in the throne room? We don't KNOW anything about his sex life. There's nothing for his sex life to differ from. All we know about his love life is that he loved his wife. Aside from that we have zero indication(pre-Shae) of what his proclivities in the bedroom are. It's not that he's definitely a whoremonger, it that's people are applying what we know of his public life to how he gets down in the bedroom. Think about that, think of all the repressed buttoned up people in the world who are furries or get pegged behind closed doors.I'm not applying shit. I'm saying it doesn't fit and hope they'll reveal more about his motivations. You're pointing to the single piece of evidence that defers from everything we know about him and points to him wanting to have kinky sex and saying that's his motivation. No it's not wild conjecture, it just doesn't fit.
You don't see me adding all these theories about WHY I think he'd fuck her. I'm not speculating and adding my own reasoning based on his history. Everyone has their own reasons why for both sides of the argument, but it's all just their own slant on what they think Tywin would do. For everyone positive he'd never touch her based on his public persona there's another person positive he'd seek her out specifically based on his comments and actions.I find it more hard to believe that it just makes perfect sense to you in context of the history we know of Tywin.