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Tuco_sl said:
It's hard for me to buy into this argument, because to this day I've never seen this argument by someone who posed that they wish they were aborted.

When you abort you don't delay a release until some external bugs are worked out, you terminate a unique individual. Even if you have a kid a few years later under more structured circumstances that person isn't brought back.
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Do suicidal people often get involved inabortiondebates? Regardless, this is a non-starter. No one is talking about aborting anythingafterthe accumulation of years of experiences and thoughts and memories. The idea that thepotentialfor those things has some moral weight because of currentactualinstances of them is ridiculous on its face (as is the idea that a fetus constitutes an "individual" in any meaningful sense).


Flank_sl said:
I think most of us would agree that once the collection of cells becomes a human being, it should not be killed. In the long run I think this is a science issue rather than a moral issue.
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The distinction between a collection of human cells and a human being is the presence of a human mind. Anything else is religious garbage. The problem is, "the presence of a human mind" is not some discrete, binary proposition. There's definitely a point at which is true and definitely a point at which it is false (and that point is definitely post-conception, btw) and then a massive gray area in-between, but that's just an argument about the last moment whenabortionis morally acceptable, not an argument about it being acceptable ever.
 
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tad10_sl said:
This is one of the most flat out racist things you'll ever read - coming from deep-died black liberals. And you wonder why I despite liberals?
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Because you're retarded and you think sensible shit like admitting that we live in a racist society and the fact that white parents cannot possibly possess the kind of intrapersonal skills necessary to deal with that shit (given that they haven't had...you know...an entire fucking lifetime of personal experience) much less transmit those skills to an adopted child is "racist." Incidentally, since you're retarded and are clearly already mixing your penchant for hyperbole with your shitty reading comprehension , I'll make it explicit: I'm not saying that white families shouldn't be allowed to adopt black children, but it's not like there's not some fucking obvious social draw-backs compared to those same children being adopted by black parents.
 
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Mikhail Bakunin_sl said:
The idea that thepotentialfor those things has some moral weight because of currentactualinstances of them is ridiculous on its face
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I disagree. I feel that potential experiences is one of the foundations of hope and value. In simpler terms, my life is valuable because of things to come, not because of things that have occurred.
 
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Etoille_sl said:
"You can't legislate morality." - Head of the NRA, Meet the Press, 12/23/12.

Good to know the NRA supports telling the right to fuck off onabortionlaws.

(I've explained the difference between my moral and legal positions and why the two cannot be the same - just found the quote fascinating).
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Honestly that little expression drives me fucking nuts. There exists literally no legislation that does not emanate from some facet of moral aesthetics. None. Why not? Because without those moral aesthetics, there would be no point in legislating anything.
 
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Tuco_sl said:
I disagree. I feel that potential experiences is one of the foundations of hope and value. In simpler terms, my life is valuable because of things to come, not because of things that have occurred.
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that is a really weird philosophy. I can understand the idea...
But, then, that concept basically mandates socialism to the extreme. You COULD be the next nobel prize winner, and by not doing everything in my power to aide you, I'm hindering you, and thus your potential.
Or the reverse, if you have a high potential for becoming a criminal in the future due to your current, situation, your life is less valuable, or outright forfeit?
Or just simply, every egg sperm has the potential of becoming a child...
 
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But, then, that concept basically mandates socialism to the extreme.
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Only if you extend it to ridiculous extremes. My argument is that people shouldn't abort pregnancies so easily under the false assumption that they'll have a shit life anyway so it's better for them.
 
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Are you counting the morning after? After all you could be aborting a viable zygote which shouldn't be any different than a viable 8 week embryo if you've already taken that stance.
 
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Choice:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/97...in-the-UK.html

The Government was on Thursday night urged to open an inquiry after officials found signs that birth rates for girls and boys vary noticeably according to where their mothers were born.

A health minister said that these differences in rates of male and female births among mothers of certain nationalities may "fall outside the range considered possible without intervention".

It forms the first official statistical evidence potentially backing up concerns that sex-selection abortions are being carried out in Britain. .

After this newspaper received information that the procedures were becoming increasingly common for cultural and social reasons, undercover reporters filmed doctors offering women terminations based on gender.
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Did you approve of the killings in Newtown?Abortionis no different. Call me a fundamentalist theist, but killing a child whether in the womb or outside is wrong, regardless of rape, etc. You're still killing a living being. Ever see a video of anabortion? You might see my side.....the fetus definitely reacts to pain.
 
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hawthorne_sl said:
Did you approve of the killings in Newtown?Abortionis no different. Call me a fundamentalist theist, but killing a child whether in the womb or outside is wrong, regardless of rape, etc.
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Ok. You're a fundamentalist theist.

hawthorne_sl said:
You're still killing a living being.
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Do you eat meat? Guess what had to die for that to occur. A living being.

hawthorne_sl said:
Ever see a video of anabortion? You might see my side.....the fetus definitely reacts to pain.
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That argument might carry weight if it weren't coming from the same people who've raised enough political hay over their retarded theological beliefs that we now require the abortions to be done internally (dramatically complicating the procedure and making it much harder to do humanely).
 
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Killing is bad and all, but there are things worse than death.
People care so much about what's growing inside another, but they don't give a shit once it's born. They don't care about quality education. They don't care about ethics or virtue. They smoke and curse and take whatever they can get at the expense of others. They want our streets to be warzones with everybody carrying a gun by mandate. They don't believe in evolution. They cheered on Zimmerman. Fuck all of them.
A fuck child support. Don't have a kid with a deadbeat, show some restraint. I did. It sucked, but I did. Now I have one on the way with my wife. Absolutely it feels like there is a baby in there, even before it looks human. I would be horrified to have it slain. But that's my baby, not yours, not my neighbors.
Don't want the baby? Pay the woman enough for theabortion, plus some fine. No more child support from that point. If they want the child, they pocket the money. If they don't want to abort or to keep it, they pocket the money and pawn the child to an adoption agency.
Abortions are good to society.
Make it safer. Make it easier. Make it cleaner. Make it quicker. No need to shame. No need to fine. No need to rigmarole.

This is my societal view. That view is different from a religious perspective. Religion can chime its virtues and those that follow it can listen.
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Sacel_sl said:
Killing is bad and all, but there are things worse than death.
People care so much about what's growing inside another, but they don't give a shit once it's born. They don't care about quality education. They don't care about ethics or virtue. They smoke and curse and take whatever they can get at the expense of others. They want our streets to be warzones with everybody carrying a gun by mandate. They don't believe in evolution. They cheered on Zimmerman. Fuck all of them.
A fuck child support. Don't have a kid with a deadbeat, show some restraint. I did. It sucked, but I did. Now I have one on the way with my wife. Absolutely it feels like there is a baby in there, even before it looks human. I would be horrified to have it slain. But that's my baby, not yours, not my neighbors.
Don't want the baby? Pay the woman enough for theabortion, plus some fine. No more child support from that point. If they want the child, they pocket the money. If they don't want to abort or to keep it, they pocket the money and pawn the child to an adoption agency.
Abortions are good to society.
Make it safer. Make it easier. Make it cleaner. Make it quicker. No need to shame. No need to fine. No need to rigmarole.

This is my societal view. That view is different from a religious perspective. Religion can chime its virtues and those that follow it can listen.
'Merica: "Get your beliefs off of me. I have my own.G
Mel Gibson: "FREEDOM"
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