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TL;DR: Eve online does not give you the ability to harvest null sec ores in high sec for a reason, currently AA does, metaphorically of course. Don't forget that carebear safezone trade route people can still get gold for the routes to buy gilda star schematics and items off the AH. People who cry for things to be handed to them in games that boast sandbox content are absolutely doing it wrong. Lobbying for this interest will just prove to wreck the hell out of a game.


So you're arguing the difference between incentivized carebear farmville vs incentivized world pvp risk/reward I guess is how I take your closing statement there.

IDK about you, but it sounds kind of like a shitty argument, no offense.

The current meta is just Cows and Super Safe trade runs, world pvp is just a safe zone camp and banana dock jerkfest.

Gilda stars are basically McDonalds happy meal toys in the current risk/reward model.

I think making gilda stars more valuable because it's extra risky to get them is a very good thing.

I'd rather be forced to risk it for a biscuit for an hour than be forced to farmville it for 5 hours to stay competitive. Don't give me any "it's your choice" shit either here, there's no way the riskier methods of obtaining gilda stars are better than the safer methods at all. Risking your ass for something someone else doesn't have to risk theirs for makes for salty experiences. "Why the hell should I take my wares over-seas if some dumb guy will take them in half the time for half the price?"

There is literally no point in risking your wares in overseas travel currently. It's not a gold/hr or gilda/hr multiplier at all. The risk is definitely not worth it.

Like others have said, the carebears can just farmville it and then purchase most of the gilda-star items on the AH. Simple as that.

Maybe that's just me. This seems like a gigantic value add for world pvp.

Vitality_sl said:

So you're arguing the difference between incentivized carebear farmville vs incentivized world pvp risk/reward I guess is how I take your closing statement there.

IDK about you, but it sounds kind of like a shitty argument, no offense.

The current meta is just Cows and Super Safe trade runs, world pvp is just a safe zone camp and banana dock jerkfest.

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The confusing part to me is why all of the pirates, gankers, griefers are doing the above instead of fighting each other in blood spatter kill fests or castles? Because the real point to world PvP is ganking carebears?

I understand the desire to "encourage" carebears to participate in world PvP but there is a delicate line to balance between encouraging them and discouraging them from playing at all. With Gilda stars coming from intercontinental trade routes it effectively means you either PvP for PvE progress or generate enough gold to buy plans to progress your PvE adventure from the auction house. World PVP should really be designed to encourage other PvPers to fight each other under the assumption that their will always be enough gankers who will go after carebears where ever they can.
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Maybe this will work, I don't know and I guess we are going to find out. I think we can all agree that no matter how much you want a PvP centered MMO, carebears are the money that allows you to have any PvP at all. You don't have to cater the game entirely to them but a game without them is FTP -> RIP.

Selix_sl said:

The confusing part to me is why all of the pirates, gankers, griefers are doing the above instead of fighting each other in blood spatter kill fests or castles? Because the real point to world PvP is ganking carebears?

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Most pvpers only engage in limited risk high reward activities. That is why stealh and sniper classes are so popular. There is always a built in excuse why someone loses in pvp. Outnumbered, better gear, coverage!, laaaaag. This game has the mechanics in place to actually help carebears if they stick with it. Anti-pk guilds will have a field day hunting down gankers and pirates and probably offer help for little timmy trying to turn in his trade pack across the sea. The main thing is are you willing to wait for the world and pecking order to develop. In a FTP game I think it's well worth the time to see what happens.

Let's be real here, it's not like the safe trade routes are going away, they're just not going to offer potentially one of the most important end game resources.

Assuming castle schematics for walls and towers will cost gilda stars later on etc.

There needs to be some kind of limiter on the risk for obtaining this resource, and making the limiter PLAYERS seems to be a decent idea. (IMO of course)

Tuco_sl said:

I'm excited about being anti again. If anyone wants to be able to trade their packs through the open seas roll with us!

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? This 100% ?

With this new change to gilda star aquisition, Tuco's merry band of server super heroes will have a name for themselves protecting valuable trade routes. In the current reward structure, this is completely meaningless because people can just ride a donkey a mile and get very good rewards.

The value for doing this is going to sky rocket with the gilda star change exponentially.

Abefroman_sl said:

Most pvpers only engage in limited risk high reward activities. That is why stealh and sniper classes are so popular. There is always a built in excuse why someone loses in pvp. Outnumbered, better gear, coverage!, laaaaag. This game has the mechanics in place to actually help carebears if they stick with it. Anti-pk guilds will have a field day hunting down gankers and pirates and probably offer help for little timmy trying to turn in his trade pack across the sea. The main thing is are you willing to wait for the world and pecking order to develop. In a FTP game I think it's well worth the time to see what happens.

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I'm hoping to see a more developed PvP game in the future because right now it's a see of red at the banana turn in. Not one or two gankers but 15-20 on dock and 1-3 ships including the battleship thing out in the harbor. All living the world PvP dream of ganking that fifth banana farmer. I mean hell if you complain about how boring it is to play farmville you might as well be killing lvl 1 rats for all of the risk you encounter fighting banana farmers or a small mercenary band of less then 10 people.

Where do you go and how do you find the 30+ Anti PvP merc guild you can hire to destroy this battleship? And please tell me it's not going to cost 50 gold or something just to complete the banana turn in? I'd log in at 3AM on a Thursday again which while annoying is liveable for a single run or two but for every intercontinental run?

Hopefully the developed world will have major trade runs with everyone grouping up at the same time but then so would the gankers and their are typically more of them... And there aren't any carebear protections during these trade runs so if you don't have more people then so sorry go home all carebears this game is for world PvPer's only.

I'd imagine some merc guilds popping up, I know mine will be one of them, where for a small percent on what you expect to receive for your merchant ship load, we'll protect it. For instance an ideal pricing model will be for Maximum value trade at 7g/crate, we take a 20% cut up front (28g value) (returned if shit goes bad) and will do free routes every few hours as marketing, trust and reputation posturing.

Could be a thing. If the value in trade-routes is there.

Tuco_sl said:

I'm excited about being anti again. If anyone wants to be able to trade their packs through the open seas roll with us!

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If it turns out to be anything like Conan then fuck that shit. What a cluster fuck that was, is "guildname" KOS!? spammed the chat/VOIP server constantly.

What they need is a system of contracts that rewards "protecters" with gilda stars equal to the number "protectees" that successfully turn in their intercontinental cargo. Going up exponentially by the farther inland they travel to turn in the stars. No reward on failure obviously. Anyone could sign up and pay the gold fee to be part of the run and a merc guild could list a run on a central board or something. Fee is non-returnable (guild doesn't get fee unless run is a success for at least one person) so guild reputation's would be based on those who successfully complete runs.

This could be handled entirely without Trion involvement except for the part about rewarding Gilda stars being the big motivator to encourage trade route protection. Obviously gankers still get to gank and sell of whatever they take.

You could do this right now for gold but who gives a shit about gold. You can just milk farm your way or whatever for gold. Gilda stars is the motivator.

Vitality_sl said:

? This 100% ?

With this new change to gilda star aquisition, Tuco's merry band of server super heroes will have a name for themselves protecting valuable trade routes. In the current reward structure, this is completely meaningless because people can just ride a donkey a mile and get very good rewards.

The value for doing this is going to sky rocket with the gilda star change exponentially.

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This is what im aiming for too. Has always been fun playing games like this, like that.

Is the Banana route that bad? I been running friends on my speed boat a ton with the Narcs to east continent for the quest and i am yet to see anyone until we are well within the quest complete spot(my route is a little long but it seems effective). Is the banana quest complete spot that far in(i am only familiar with the west quest which you can complete well before land)? I can't imagine failing to speed in there unless you take an awful direct way. Unless this quest is unbalanced you should be completed long before anyone on shore can get to you.

But i wouldn't worry too much, no where to put that farm atm anyways.

Vitality_sl said:

Get fucked MMOsolo nerds (1.0 to 1.2 change comments)

Looks like you guys should start making some friends.

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Goddamn, thanks for that link. 1.0/1.2 changes incoming, seemingly before beta. Good shit.

Selix_sl said:

The confusing part to me is why all of the pirates, gankers, griefers are doing the above instead of fighting each other in blood spatter kill fests or castles? Because the real point to world PvP is ganking carebears?

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Ganking carebears is what they currently do between the blood-splattered kill fests. There are multiple guilds murdering each other, robbing each other and destroying each other's shit every day. A streaming pirate got his merchant ship stolen by a guild at like 4AM this morning. Castle sieges aren't currently happening because the mechanic is supposedly broken. The first try [for our version] fell apart due to some software/hardware failure or another, so the Northern continent is basically where level 50s go to farm gear, gold and crafting stuffs... to prepare for the kill fests. If/when building a castle and carrying out a siege is actually possible we can expect the seas to become at least partially more peaceful.

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I finally got my clipper made around 5AM today. An hour later I was coasting through the sea solo doing my banana pack run. When I turned it in and got that measly 1 Gilda I felt a wave of relief flow through me. That short trip was one of the most nerve-wracking experiences I've ever had in an MMO and it was glorious.

mrmoneda_sl said:

I finally got my clipper made around 5AM today. An hour later I was coasting through the sea solo doing my banana pack run. When I turned it in and got that measly 1 Gilda I felt a wave of relief flow through me. That short trip was one of the most nerve-wracking experiences I've ever had in an MMO and it was glorious.

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I have that feeling every time I make it to port with my fish without getting ganked