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Apostolos

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Cinge_sl said:
I don't see it being changed, 24g a day is not a lot and it literally occupies your large farm for the entire duration.
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I am sorry, but 24g a day is a HELL of a lot of money. I am lucky if I can make 5 to 8 a day doing trade runs once you take into consideration the time it takes planting crops, re-harvesting and then carrying things back and forth. The time investment vs. a farm like that is way out of whack.
 
Vitality

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Apostolos_sl said:
I am sorry, but 24g a day is a HELL of a lot of money. I am lucky if I can make 5 to 8 a day doing trade runs once you take into consideration the time it takes planting crops, re-harvesting and then carrying things back and forth. The time investment vs. a farm like that is way out of whack.
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Shhhhh, Trion could be watching...

Any other questions thread before I head out to lunch?
 
moontayle

moontayle

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That battle was pretty fucking baller. That ya'll were able to stave off a force three times your size and ultimately win the encounter is damned impressive.
 
Cinge

Cinge

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Apostolos_sl said:
I am sorry, but 24g a day is a HELL of a lot of money. I am lucky if I can make 5 to 8 a day doing trade runs once you take into consideration the time it takes planting crops, re-harvesting and then carrying things back and forth. The time investment vs. a farm like that is way out of whack.
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Its nice as in there is no risk and its passive, but 24g a day is not that much and its 1 large farm taken(and you need to get milk in every 6 hours on the nose or that 24g a day starts to skew). There are a quite a few other things you could do to make that much or even more, with some having obviously more risk.

Hell I could be lazy and just plant a large farm full of single clovers every 1.5 hours and probably make 50g+ a day selling the lucky clovers from them(not to mention other rare drops). But that's boring and its alpha, I don't really care about maximizing gold atm.

Trade runs can bank a lot of gold, but there's also the risk involved, but you could easily plant a large farm full of Lily bundles, then make probably 10+ packs out of that and deliver them for 7g a pack, with a run taking maybe 20minutes or so, but again risk of it being taken, but that's solo. If you did a dedicated group of 5-6 who's sole purpose was to make money(like his cows) you could run with protection and everyone with packs and everyone makes that money.

Lots of ways to make money, I bet even safe intercontinent trade runs could make 24g a day, it's just of matter of how much work you want to put in and how much risk you want to take.
 
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Cinge_sl said:
Its nice as in there is no risk and its passive, but 24g a day is not that much and its 1 large farm taken(and you need to get milk in every 6 hours on the nose or that 24g a day starts to skew). There are a quite a few other things you could do to make that much or even more, with some having obviously more risk.

Hell I could be lazy and just plant a large farm full of single clovers every 1.5 hours and probably make 50g+ a day selling the lucky clovers from them(not to mention other rare drops). But that's boring and its alpha, I don't really care about maximizing gold atm.
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Clover seed bundles on small farms produce at about this rate, alongside cows, and are used for cow feed as well as a base component at 6 clovers to 10 feed. Additionally, doing clover bundles instead of singles produces worms for fishing which are a hot ticket item currently and significantly reduce the setup and gather time required in comparison to a 200 plant large farm full of clovers.

Byproducts and Reduced gather time make this a more optimal method of gathering clovers.

Each bundle takes 10 seeds to make (and gives gathering skill to combine) average yield is 32-38 clover and 5-9 worms per gather. With the rare chance of Lucky Clovers (which are used for level 40+ armor crafting recipes). Can fit 4 on a small farm - yielding roughly 120 clover per small farm every 3.5 hours (if watered at time of planting).

--Edit to your edit--

I agree on your Lily run point, in our case Wheat runs: They are do able along side a passive cow farm, we prioritize gilda stars (for storage + schematics) but gold is another viable method and acts as a more active income. Risk is definitely there for pirates though for sure. Lilly bundles on small farms or in our case Wheat bundles act as a cost offset to supply our group with gilda stars using this method. I have only dabbled a bit in schematic auction house sales, and from what I can tell gilda stars act to double the gold value of the trade run at the current market price of aqua-farms. (roughly 14 gilda stars for 40g as opposed to 7g for 5 gilda stars at the time of turn-in). Of course this is all based on yesterdays market values.

Hope this helps.
 
Byr

Byr

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Quaid_sl said:
So I'm not quite understanding here. How much gold are we talking about to deck out a character in high end crafted? What else is it needed for? What if I just wanna be a thieving, gaming, treasure hunting bastard? Are there massive gold sinks that will Fuck my ability to maintain my lifestyle?
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theres a lot of RNG so its hard to say for sure but unless you get really lucky your probably looking at 15-20k+
 
Eidal

Eidal

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Byr_sl said:
theres a lot of RNG so its hard to say for sure but unless you get really lucky your probably looking at 15-20k+
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No idea on the source but I heard it took the KR servers ~2 years before a single player had a full set of top tier crafted.

EDIT: Gold ultimately isn't the cockblock -- labor points are. The RNG aspect makes it brutal on labor to past 44, regardless of how much gold you have.
 
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Kedwyn

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I don't think it will take even close to 2 years. People will be fully geared in a few months if not earlier with guilds funneling mats to a few people.

The biggest issue with crafting is when you unlock the later level gear its a random chance for what set you'll get. So you might be a tank and end up with the INT set which kind of fucking sucks since you already had to get lucky to get some crits to end up with a blue or purple. Not so bad in a large guild because people will trade out pieces and such but it adds another layer of bull shit to the process and that single part is what makes it a PIA to get your gear.

Also with gear being tradeable even after wearing it the market prices will plummet pretty quickly once things get established.
 
Eidal

Eidal

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Kedwyn_sl said:
I don't think it will take even close to 2 years. People will be fully geared in a few months if not earlier with guilds funneling mats to a few people.

The biggest issue with crafting is when you unlock the later level gear its a random chance for what set you'll get. So you might be a tank and end up with the INT set which kind of fucking sucks since you already had to get lucky to get some crits to end up with a blue or purple. Not so bad in a large guild because people will trade out pieces and such but it adds another layer of bull shit to the process and that single part is what makes it a PIA to get your gear.

Also with gear being tradeable even after wearing it the market prices will plummet pretty quickly once things get established.
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It has nothing to do with mats -- how many 50k Tailor/Leather/Metal crafters will be premium on the server? They'll regen 1440 labor a day -- now add up how much it takes laborwise to generate the items in question. Once you hit 44, you have a 1/7th chance of getting an item to continue forward in levels AND you have to crit your craft for the + rarity. Money isn't the issue, as you said, people can pool all the resources... but labor cannot be shared so the traditional MMO "power a few crafters up who will then support the guild" isn't a very predicitive model for endgame AA crafting.

Not to mention -- these 50k armor/weapon crafters will likely want to spend labor on other things instead of just straight dumping their entire 24h gain into a soul-crushing RNG.

EDIT: I didn't mean to say I agreed with that 2 year quote that I read somewhere... I have no idea. I was just commenting on your implication that guilds will trivialize the process by pooling resources.
 
Tuco

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It'd probably be as bad as pets in PVE usually are but it'd be great to see 5 witches flank into an enemy zerg and drop demons on everyone.
 
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Well pets in PVP are terrible because of terribad AI, pathing and other shit. THis looks like a bomb you drop in NPC form and you forget about it. Which might work if landing the summon does a stun or something.
 
Tuco

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Draegan_sl said:
Well pets in PVP are terrible because of terribad AI, pathing and other shit. THis looks like a bomb you drop in NPC form and you forget about it. Which might work if landing the summon does a stun or something.
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Yeah, it seems like it could be like the Atronach sorcs in ESO use, only it does FF.
 
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