Arrival (2016)

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I think you completely missed ex-genji's point. The issue he has isn't with Adams' character, it's with Renner abandoning his wife and kid when he finds out his kid is going to die. That bit is a bit of a head scratcher from a motivational point of view. How is abandoning your daughter when you know she is going to get cancer any different than abandoning your daughter when you find out she has cancer?
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If that's the part he was referring to, then I agree that's a little weird. It does sounds like the father was still in the daughter's life, though, just wasn't together with the mother. She mentioned that the daughter "would see him this weekend" and "ask your father" about the science term.
 
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Ambiturner said:
If that's the part he was referring to, then I agree that's a little weird. It does sounds like the father was still in the daughter's life, though, just wasn't together with the mother. She mentioned that the daughter "would see him this weekend" and "ask your father" about the science term.
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I went back and read ex-genji's post and he did reference both having the kid in the first place as well as the father leaving. It just seemed like you were talking about the latter. My bad.
And ya, I suppose they did imply he didn't completely abandon them. Still, a bit weird, but I guess it's quite literally a situation nobody would ever be in, so who knows how they'd react
 
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Jive Turkey said:
I think you completely missed ex-genji's point. The issue he has isn't with Adams' character, it's with Renner abandoning his wife and kid when he finds out his kid is going to die. That bit is a bit of a head scratcher from a motivational point of view. How is abandoning your daughter when you know she is going to get cancer any different than abandoning your daughter when you find out she has cancer?
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I think they were just illustrating what ambiturner said. Renner had no memories of the daughter, so when he found out, he said, fuck this shit, I'm not setting myself up for this heartbreak. Mom already had memories of the kid. I thought they even said in the movie that renner left when she told him that the kid was gunna die.
 
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Renner left Adams, not the kid.
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Yeah I took it like they were divorced but he was still in the kid's life. I assumed she told him after she was pregnant/kid was born what was gonna happen and he just couldn't forgive her for signing him up for that pain, rational or not.
 
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You got me thinking.

Maybe they did know about the bomb? But, they knew it was important enough to take the hit in order to get the information across to the lady-hero.

I don't know how to do spoilers, or if anyone would care since this movie has been out for months, but it's kind of like the lady-hero knew her kid would get cancer, but decided to have her anyway.
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I fucking love this movie!

I think the subtitle that the surviving alien says, that the dead alien is "the death process" indicates that they have a different perspective on death (maybe not something to be afraid of and try to avoid in the first place), but also that it was a seminal moment in time for things to escalate and send everything on the trajectory that they knew was going to happen. That doesn't explain why the alien let itself be killed, letting the bomb go off would have been enough, but if death is a process that they have a completely different understanding of, then that would explain it. Humans are afraid of death because they do not understand it, and treat death as an illness, like something bad. For the aliens, death is a process which all things must enter, and is not something to run away from per se. The other one had to live to convey the message though. That is my speculation on this at least.

This also explains why she decided to have the kid, knowing that she would die. Not only does her experience of time change, but also the view of death. Any child she has would die eventually, so what is there to avoid? If she is moving back and forth through memory, then in a sense her daughter can never die, and life is eternally captured in memories that are mixed past-present-future. Also, this knowledge kind of defangs the trauma of death for the surviving loved one.
 
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Just watched this. My daughter will be 3 months old next week. Right in the feels.
 
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Watched this tonight and was really good. I always like these kinds of movies that make you think.

Amy Adams is my bae.
 
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Araxen said:
Amy Adams is my bae.
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Enchanted Amy
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Or

Hustle Amy
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Why can't we have science fiction movies that are actually science fiction instead of mystical bullshit?
 
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Amy Adams' has a clone who does hardcore porn that goes by the name Lady Fyre.

You can thank me later.

Also just watched this, give it 3.5/5. Great design and well put together, but the story was flat. So the aliens came to Earth for what exactly?
 
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Big Phoenix said:
Amy Adams' has a clone who does hardcore porn that goes by the name Lady Fyre.

You can thank me later.

Also just watched this, give it 3.5/5. Great design and well put together, but the story was flat. So the aliens came to Earth for what exactly?
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Watched it a while ago but didn't they come to Earth to help humans so that humans could save them thousands of years into the future or some shit? They shared their language which alters a persons perception of time letting them see into the future.
 
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Amy Adams' has a clone who does hardcore porn that goes by the name Lady Fyre.

You can thank me later.

Also just watched this, give it 3.5/5. Great design and well put together, but the story was flat. So the aliens came to Earth for what exactly?
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goddamn it that bitch looks nothing like amy adams except for fake red hair. CAN YOU EVEN TELL WHITE PEOPLE APART
 
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The motivation of the aliens is... alien.

It probably would have been better to leave it open to speculation. But it is a movie, and people are going to require some sort of answer. The "3,000 years in the future thing" was one of the two big "HOLLYWOOD!" parts of the movie. The brevity with which they treated the army-guy-blows-up-the-alien-threat subplot was the other.

They just expected you to know that OBVIOUSLY the green berets are going to try to detonate a non-nuke inside that space ship. Because from a military standpoint that makes perfect sense. First, you know it will disable the ship. No doubt, you know that. Second, you know that they'll just go away and leave you alone. You know that for sure! Third, you know that it definitely won't provoke them into a retaliation so excessive that your action has just precipated a hopeless war. We may as well call it an extermination. You know all these things!! Because you're ARMY DUDE.
 
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iannis said:
The motivation of the aliens is... alien.

It probably would have been better to leave it open to speculation. But it is a movie, and people are going to require some sort of answer. The "3,000 years in the future thing" was one of the two big "HOLLYWOOD!" parts of the movie. The brevity with which they treated the army-guy-blows-up-the-alien-threat subplot was the other.

They just expected you to know that OBVIOUSLY the green berets are going to try to detonate a non-nuke inside that space ship. Because from a military standpoint that makes perfect sense. First, you know it will disable the ship. No doubt, you know that. Second, you know that they'll just go away and leave you alone. You know that for sure! Third, you know that it definitely won't provoke them into a retaliation so excessive that your action has just precipated a hopeless war. We may as well call it an extermination. You know all these things!! Because you're ARMY DUDE.
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What are you even talking about?
 
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I only found this movie after realizing that the director of Blade Runner 2049 is the same guy that did Sicario.

I have no idea how to describe why I love both, but I think it's because they're chalked full of the mundane in a surreal environment. I think they just feel as "real" as possible in the setting they're in.

I loved Arrival and felt the same way about it. I've watched it a few times in the last 6 months and still enjoy it. I was floored at the end the first time I watched it, when Amy knows what's coming and still gets involved with Jeremy Renner. That's the closest I've come to squeezing out some eye water over a movie since Whale Rider.

Anyways, I'll watch anything that Denis Villeneuve puts out until the end of time. I watched BR2049 3x in the theater, and bought a digital copy as soon as it came out. That guy can have all my money.
 
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