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Grim1

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moonarchia said:
He has bigger troubles coming for him in all this. He is 100% going to lose his house and any assets he didn't hide long before now. Karen and the other scammers will bleed him dry, and whatever WARN is sounds like the state is going to fuck his ass raw as well.
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Not necessarily. All that really matters in modern business is who can afford the better lawyers and how long you can afford to pay them. Any business worth anything is usually in a lawsuit of some sort. And typically more than one. It takes a long time to get a court date for business lawsuits, usually over a year. In the mean time you are going through discovery and all the other bullshit that takes up valuable time from actually doing the work required to keep your business profitable (and able to pay the lawyers).

A settlement is usually reached a long time before the trial ever starts. It doesn't matter if you are right if it takes everything you own to prove it. If the state or the feds get involved, then that is a different matter. They don't care about spending other peoples money on lawyers. But if it's just business people suing each other then a settlement where both sides lose is almost guaranteed.
 
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Daidraco said:
So all those people saying that steams payout day was like a day or two days before the announcement are just spreading fake news? I dont think it would have mattered regardless - as someone did the math for the size of team, the average pay, the server costs, etc. and the money made on the game from steam alone would have been spent in the first month alone (after steams cut).

Im just surprised Shariff didnt take care of Margot or w/e her name is in the end. That hoe has been ride or die with him for years now.
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fake news sounds so harsh. AoC released on Dec11 and reports of a month wages unpaid. Like you said regardless same outcame, makes you wonder what tipped Steam off, maybe the 850k bill they owed.
 
jayrebb

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Continue to hammer them with refunds until even a 100-200h player gets one.

They're breaking. Success rate has been going up fast.
 
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I feel like in the past, similar kinds of mass outrage events ended up with Steam siding with the players and doing mass refunds. Didn't that happen with Helldivers 2 during the whole playstation account outrage?
 
Kirun

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They'll always side with the consumer in cases like this. This has potential to be majorly damaging to them as a brand/platform if people felt like they can be swindled at any moment and Steam won't do shit about it.
 
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moonarchia

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Kirun said:
They'll always side with the consumer in cases like this. This has potential to be majorly damaging to them as a brand/platform if people felt like they can be swindled at any moment and Steam won't do shit about it.
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Steve's asshole is going to be prolapsed worse than an Epstein Island pizza once Gaben gets through with him. That dude stared down the CC processors last year. His legal jewjitsu is the real deal.
 
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Xevy said:
They promised too much, went too wide, and at some point had too small of a team trying to do 1000 different aspects of an MMO instead of making a working body to build off of. Then at some point the financial woes and realization they were basically already so far behind they were fucked without a mega launch.

It was mostly just incompetence until the steam launch. Then it was a scam because by then they knew it was over and they were just paying the bills.
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I'm not sure it was incompetence. You think about their MLM backgrounds, and years ago the engine switch, and to me it looks a lot like the world's first MMORPG MLM scam.
 
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nicksw

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Steven dealin' Hopium in Discord KEK
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Aazrael

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Many if not all of MMO players seem to have battered wife syndrome. Surely the next scam will be the one, surely.

The genre is dead and has been for a long time. The young kids don't want these games anyway, they want their waifus and opening loot boxes.
 
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moonarchia

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Aazrael said:
Many if not all of MMO players seem to have battered wife syndrome. Surely the next scam will be the one, surely.

The genre is dead and has been for a long time. The young kids don't want these games anyway, they want their waifus and opening loot boxes.
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I think a lot of folks just need to lower their expectations. It is a niche market that is in decline. Competent devs with a small budget could put out a decent smaller game. A game like DDO with a more recent engine could smash hard. The tools are all there.
 
Pasteton

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Seems like a scam but not sure if it started out this way? Seems like the first dagger was incompetence , and then they pivoted to scam when they realized it to recoup some losses. Pretty sure Steven is coming out of this a lot poorer unless it was all lies?
 
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