Autonomous Systems

Would you ever own an autonomous vehicle?

  • Hell yeah Bring on our robotic overlords!

  • Fuck you! I'll keep my Indepenence

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Tripamang

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sadris said:
Uber is losing money hand-over-fist
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What context are you using this in? Uber is trying to gain market share/increase revenue by any means necessary, and one of the pitfalls of that is failed market penetration and huge losses (Hi Groupon). If anything this is probably good for autonomous car manufacturers like Tesla who have plans for their own taxi services because Uber is vulnerable to failure opening up a huge market for their services.
 
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Gotta be frustrating for cab drivers who possibly eeked out a lower middle class lifestyle to be disrupted by a company that was completely unprofitable but survived on VC funding.

It's like the transport version of Walmart moving into a new town, crushing all the nearby stores via loss-leading prices, then raising the rates to normal once the stores close up shop. (Note, I think this strategy is a rumor and haven't seen any evidence for it).
 
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In the last two days, I've used drones on 6 job sites. About 11 hours in the field, probably another 10 hours in the office for them next week.

They were bid to take (roughly) 14 days in the field (for a 2 man crew), so roughly 230 man hours. Now the field crews just have to survey a few select areas that I can't get with the drone, and my boss is estimating they have about 3-4 days worth of work instead of 14.

Ya, I can definitely see the "47%" number cited above.
 
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Kiroy said:
Alright, can we nuke the earth yet?

Self-Driving Cars Will Exacerbate Organ Shortages Unless We Start Preparing Now
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It's a very interesting secondary effect. Now what would be better is if they plot out how many of those organs go to people involved in a vehicle accident and see if it cancels out.

The whole thing is fascinating and if you read the article they aren't suggesting we don't push forward with the technology but that we become aware ahead of time about this "supply issue" in the future.
 
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It's a very interesting secondary effect. Now what would be better is if they plot out how many of those organs go to people involved in a vehicle accident and see if it cancels out.

The whole thing is fascinating and if you read the article they aren't suggesting we don't push forward with the technology but that we become aware ahead of time about this "supply issue" in the future.
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I just find it annoying but I guess the industry has to look into it. It's just that there are so many secondary effects that are just as big of deal, but we got to write about the one that tugs on the heart strings so we can get dem clicks. We're going to have insurance jobs disappearing. Most autobody shops will probably eventually go out of business.

A large percent of injuries come from auto accidents, is the health care market going to raise prices (even more) due to less demand? Gas usage should be a lot more efficient, how will that effect prices? Probably about a million more very important secondary effects we can't even think of.
 
ZyyzYzzy

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Probably more deaths plus injuries that need a transplant from car accidents than organs for transplant gotten from accidents so autonomous cars are stll a plus
 
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From my understanding the biggest donor of high quality organs are motorcycle riders without helmets. I don't know how many of these accidents are caused by cars or can be avoided by autonomous vehicles. I'm kind of fine with less people dying and being harvested for organs.
 
Kithani

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I am not a trauma surgeon but I highly doubt there is a huge number of people getting in car wrecks that would otherwise survive if only for a liver/kidney/lung transplant. I'd put money on most car wreck deaths being brain/spinal cord or aorta related and we really don't transplant those.
 
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Kithani said:
I am not a trauma surgeon but I highly doubt there is a huge number of people getting in car wrecks that would otherwise survive if only for a liver/kidney/lung transplant. I'd put money on most car wreck deaths being brain/spinal cord or aorta related and we really don't transplant those.
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Hmm not sure if serious? Lot of internal damage can be caused by a car accident
 
Kithani

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Completely serious. Sure you get plenty of internal damage but it's not like "oh god this guy needs a liver and he'd be just fine," it's "oh god this guy is fucked in so many ways and he's never coming back, I wonder what organs are still salvageable."
 
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Bandwagon said:
In the last two days, I've used drones on 6 job sites. About 11 hours in the field, probably another 10 hours in the office for them next week.

They were bid to take (roughly) 14 days in the field (for a 2 man crew), so roughly 230 man hours. Now the field crews just have to survey a few select areas that I can't get with the drone, and my boss is estimating they have about 3-4 days worth of work instead of 14.

Ya, I can definitely see the "47%" number cited above.
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I talked our company into buying a drone last week. Sometime next month we will use one to check on job quality, flashing, and roof issues as none of the 4 owners/supervisors are spring chickens anymore and riddled with health issues and busted knees.
Not sure what we'll get yet. It needs to be durable but only needs to go a few hundred feet max. Will be so much better than lugging myself on a 2 story steep roof to find vent boot damage when I can just fly up zoom in and snap a picture.
 
ZyyzYzzy

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Kithani said:
Completely serious. Sure you get plenty of internal damage but it's not like "oh god this guy needs a liver and he'd be just fine," it's "oh god this guy is fucked in so many ways and he's never coming back, I wonder what organs are still salvageable."
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Not so. 50% from study needed surgical intervention due to abdominal trauma. 30ish% had severe trauma to just one organ, the liver and of these aboit 10% die intraoperatively due to severe liver damage.

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Blunt abdominal trauma. A 5-year analysis of 870 patients requiring celiotomy.

Another, survival is lower in transplants for livers is lower when there is traumatic/acute physical damage versus others, but ya liver is often one organ that can be solely and acutely injured in car accidents.

Transplantation after blunt trauma to the liver: a valuable option or just a "waste of organs"?
 
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Kithani

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ZyyzYzzy said:
Not so. 50% from study needed surgical intervention due to abdominal trauma. 30ish% had severe trauma to just one organ, the liver and of these aboit 10% die intraoperatively due to severe liver damage.

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Blunt abdominal trauma. A 5-year analysis of 870 patients requiring celiotomy.

Another, survival is lower in transplants for livers is lower when there is traumatic/acute physical damage versus others, but ya liver is often one organ that can be solely and acutely injured in car accidents.

Transplantation after blunt trauma to the liver: a valuable option or just a "waste of organs"?
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Maybe I didn't say it very clearly. The vast majority of deaths from car wrecks do not come from traumatic injury to a single transplantable organ. I'm not saying that it never happens, I'm sure it happens plenty often but still at the end of the day the number of organs entering the transplant system FROM car wrecks probably greatly outweighs the number LEAVING and getting transplanted into car wreck victims.

Traumatic aortic rupture - Wikipedia

Thus traumatic aortic rupture is a common killer in automotive accidents and other traumas,[1] with up to 18% of deaths that occur in automobile collisions being related to the injury.[2] In fact, aortic disruption due to blunt chest is the second leading cause of injury death behind traumatic brain injury.[3][4]
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