Breaking Bad

lanx_sl said:

if anything walt has been the most loyal to jesse, up until the point of hank getting killed, the dog is what lead to them killing his brother. We see how much walt was willing to do to let hank go free, take the money, beg for forgiveness, he treats hank like his brother, they just have a little "family matter" to deal with, but he's still his brother.

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Loyalty = poisoning Brock, ripping him off, threatening him, trying to send him away, hiring Nazis to kill him, etc. Walt looks out for himself and he uses Jesse, time and again.

chaos_sl said:

Loyalty = poisoning Brock, ripping him off, threatening him, trying to send him away, hiring Nazis to kill him, etc. Walt looks out for himself and he uses Jesse, time and again.

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exactly
oh and letting jane die

chaos_sl said:

poisoning Brock, ripping him off, threatening him, trying to send him away, hiring Nazis to kill him, etc. Walt looks out for himself and he uses Jesse, time and again.

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Brock Poison=After Jesse was manipulated into Betraying Walt, and the only reason Jesse could be manipulated, ironically, was because Waltsavedhis life after another colossal Jesse fuck up.

Ripping off=??? When? When Walt wouldn't give him the money to overdose on?

Threatening him=There have been three violent altercations between them, ALL started by Jesse. The only 2 overt threats were made by Jesse before this season. What are you talking about? (I"m talking about threatening to rat him out and have Gus kill him, and then threatening to side with Gus.)

Hiring Nazi's to kill him=AFTER Jesse tried to burn his house down and then threatened his family? Okay. Remember, Walt was NOT actually going to kill Jesse at their first meeting, this was another Jesse overreaction after not assessing a situation properly (Again.)

No, Chaos. Just no. Jesse has always been an asshole in this relationship, more so than Walt. He may be a better person than Walt, but he's a douche bag that would have been dead a LONG time ago if not for Walt's "manipulations" which kept him alive. Even IF Walt had never found Jesse, guess who Crazy 8 would have still blamed for being a snitch? Jesse would have died regardless of Walter White meeting him, he ONLY survives because Walt consistently bails him out of trouble and that trouble is often his own making.

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Do you recognize these pants ?

Walt and jesse will have lots if time to soulsearch and evaluate their options. How walt hears about Blue is not important. The point is when he finds out he has been doublecrossed. It will bring him back. Mix that in with the DEA applying pressure on skyler to tell them where heisenberg has his drug lab or else they remove their protection will also make walt have to put a fucking stop to the Blue production. Ok now continue the ad hominen attacks

I am going to go with Walt, months after his "get away" comes back to take revenge after the Nazi's do something/threaten his family, gets there, handles business and then realizes Jessie is still alive, saves him for whatever reason then takes the risen and delivers some profound wisdom to Jessie and roll credits.

Alt ending. Jessie is dead already or Walt kills him, takes the risen roll credits. I can see either one happening.

Double post.

Lithose_sl said:

Brock Poison=After Jesse was manipulated into Betraying Walt, and the only reason Jesse could be manipulated, ironically, was because Waltsavedhis life after another colossal Jesse fuck up.

Ripping off=??? When? When Walt wouldn't give him the money to overdose on?

Threatening him=There have been three violent altercations between them, ALL started by Jesse. The only 2 overt threats were made by Jesse before this season. What are you talking about? (I"m talking about threatening to rat him out and have Gus kill him, and then threatening to side with Gus.)

Hiring Nazi's to kill him=AFTER Jesse tried to burn his house down and then threatened his family? Okay. Remember, Walt was NOT actually going to kill Jesse at their first meeting, this was another Jesse overreaction after not assessing a situation properly (Again.)

No, Chaos. Just no. Jesse has always been an asshole in this relationship, more so than Walt. He may be a better person than Walt, but he's a douche bag that would have been dead a LONG time ago if not for Walt's "manipulations" which kept him alive. Even IF Walt had never found Jesse, guess who Crazy 8 would have still blamed for being a snitch? Jesse would have died regardless of Walter White meeting him, he ONLY survives because Walt consistently bails him out of trouble and that trouble is often his own making.

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Yes. You're making excuses for Walt, stretching to do so, and not doing the same for Jesse when you could, you just choose not to. Qualify it all you want, Walt poisoned a child and could have killed him. Walt took Jesse's money and told him to get fucked, right after he had spent months borrowing money from him too. He threatened him over the money, and then he hired skinheads to kill him. You're giving Walt a pass like you're in his fan club or something.

Even if that were true, that doesn't excuse Walt's behavior. He did what he did.

I'm in the Walt fanclub. Jesse's a fuckup that Walt has been constantly saving, regardless of his manipulative relationship.

The whole line of thinking behind Walt coming back because he doesn't want the blue meth sold is stupid. He taught Todd how to do it and hooked them up with Lydia for the methylamine. He is not only okay with blue being out there, but he expects it. Walt is coming back for one thing only, revenge on Todd's uncle for killing Hank and ripping apart his family.

Going to chime in and continue the disagreements with Chaos. Jesse is a fuckup. Time and time again he's fucked up. And Walt's had to clean up the mess. Imagine how much easier this would have been had Jesse been killed in season three? Gale and Walter become awesome friends and make a shitload of money. Fuckin' Jesse...

chaos_sl said:

Yes. You're making excuses for Walt, stretching to do so, and not doing the same for Jesse when you could, you just choose not to. Qualify it all you want, Walt poisoned a child and could have killed him. Walt took Jesse's money and told him to get fucked, right after he had spent months borrowing money from him too. He threatened him over the money, and then he hired skinheads to kill him. You're giving Walt a pass like you're in his fan club or something.

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That's because some of Jesse's actions are just that, inexcusable.

Look at this.



You remember what lead up to this threat? Jesse chose to STOP the destruction of the RV, stole it (Yes stole, don't forget, it's Walt's RV, he paid for it), and walked right into Hank's trap . He brought this on HIMSELF, and he is here threatening Walt's life (Continued Cook), his family's life (Going after Hank)--everything. Walt doesn't just have him killed, which he UNDOUBTEDLY could at this time, with Gus' men. Instead he puts his reputation on the line to prevent Jesse's idiotic escalation and removes Gale, the ultimate lab assistant, to try and appease Jesse. (Oh and after he does this, Jesse skims Meth which threatens both their lives and sells it to recovering addicts, all because he feels like his millions aren't enough. Nice, Jesse.)

Yeah, stretching bro, okay. If Walt was half the monster you think he is in this relationship, right here, Jesse dies. He isn't. Walt's "manipulations" have consistently been to keep Jessealiveand out of trouble. (And again, even before Walt met Jesse, Jesse was dead. Crazy 8 blamed him for the snitch, it was ONLY Walt's Meth that saved Jesse. That's it, then Walt physically saved Jesse by poisoning and strangling them.)

And lol, he told him "to get fucked"...When the hell was that? Are you talking about the scene where he told him he wanted to help him? And he was scared he would OD? And he didn't want to give him all the money so he could shoot up with it? Is that the scene where he told him "to get fucked"? Or was it only AFTER Jesse once more threatened to destroy everything Walter loved that Walt got angry? (Remember, Walt started the conversation like a father who was concerned for his son, it was only AFTER Jesse's girlfriend threatened him that Walt got mad...And then Walt relented.)

a_skeleton_03_sl said:

You are right, how he hears about the blue is not important because he won't hear about it.

The meth won't bring him back. You can double down on your retardation all you want but the meth being on the streets will NOT be what brings him back. Aliens would bring him back before blue meth hitting the streets of ABQ brings him back.

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My name isnt a_skeleton_03 insulting people who disagree with an opinion. All im doing is giving my view on on why walt comes back all of a sudden. Walt hearing about pinkman making his meth and it causing problems for his family sounds more plausible than them being held hostage by nazis so he could cook for them. But if thats how you think it goes down thats fine too. We find out in 6 days.

chaos_sl said:

Even if that were true, that doesn't excuse Walt's behavior. He did what he did.

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It doesn't excuse it, the fact is Walt should have let Jesse die. It's only Walt's protection of what he considers "family" that lead to the other people being hurt. That's been his excuse the whole time, and you're right, it's not a good excuse. BUT if Walt had not taken these actions, Jesse would be dead. So Jesse blaming Walt and attempting to retaliate in all these ways? Is an absurd shirking of responsibility on his part.