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Study: Nearly 20% of college freshmen victims of rape - CNN.com
So this new study is still at only one college (bad) but uses a much more narrow definition of rape and in general a much more sound and thorough survey methodology and still comes to the same 1 in 5 number for freshman year alone, and "37% for all women surveyed from the age of 14 through the start of their sophomore year."
I'd be very interested to know which "large unnamed private university in upstate New York" this study was conducted at, because this place sounds fucking horrible.
So this new study is still at only one college (bad) but uses a much more narrow definition of rape and in general a much more sound and thorough survey methodology and still comes to the same 1 in 5 number for freshman year alone, and "37% for all women surveyed from the age of 14 through the start of their sophomore year."
I'd be very interested to know which "large unnamed private university in upstate New York" this study was conducted at, because this place sounds fucking horrible.
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I'd like to see how they defined incapacitated or unable to consent, but that kind of survey data is not good.
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That sounded alarming until I read "victims of attempted or completed rape". And then it became CNN/Ivy League clickbait.
A genuine study would separate those questions. It is 4 questions they're rolling into 1 statistic.
If the professors are doing it, can you really blame the students for sloppy analysis.
A genuine study would separate those questions. It is 4 questions they're rolling into 1 statistic.
If the professors are doing it, can you really blame the students for sloppy analysis.
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Yes, read the whole thing. The survey separates each possible potential behavior out but then only classifies a small subset of those behaviors as rape, which is what the previous studies did not do.
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That pdf is better than the article, but not by much.
I'm just saying it's a shitty study of the problem with an even shittier article to describe it, not that the problem isn't real.
You notice the creep there though? 18.6 becomes 19 becomes 20, and when you get down to page 2 it's actually 11.4. Which is still about 11.4% too high, but it is half of 20.
I'm just saying it's a shitty study of the problem with an even shittier article to describe it, not that the problem isn't real.
You notice the creep there though? 18.6 becomes 19 becomes 20, and when you get down to page 2 it's actually 11.4. Which is still about 11.4% too high, but it is half of 20.
Honestly, I've got a problem with this.
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A better idea than you have of how to isolate variables and think critically, apparently.
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In other words, being dumb enough to get yourself raped while drunk before college predicted being more likely to get raped while drunk or forcibly raped in college, but getting forcibly raped before college was not a predictor of either.
And I just got done talking to the person who did the study. Category of attempted rape only included force, threats of force or attempts while incapacitated.
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Its a separate hypothesis test on the same set of data.
It's okay to admit you have no idea what you're talking about.
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Being stupid and getting drunk/drugged around rapey boys.
But lets just look at the data forforcible rape. According to this, 21.7 of the surveyed women report an attempted or completedforcible rapeduring their lifetime before the start of their sophomore year of college. Using a very specific and narrow definition of forcible rape, discarding all the bullshit like groping and nonthreatening verbal pressure.
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99.9% of those must go unreported then. Can't punish people if the victim doesn't report.
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Well, more accurately about 80% of them must go unreported. Or pretty much all of the attempted rapes going unreported, and maybe a third of the completed rapes going unreported. Eyeballing the numbers a bit.
Rates of underreporting for rapes are even higher among men from all the statistics I can find, so you can't just blame it on "girls r dum."
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How is it that a study narrows the definition of rape down from the ridiculous parameters of the previous study, yet comes up with almost the same number? Honest question. Yes, I know it was a different sample population
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There you are with the fucking creep again. It is 11.4 for first term and I closed the window but I think it was something like 7.x% for second term. How many of those are the same responder we don't know and we should because it matters.
Teenage girls are pressured into sex by teenage boys, sometimes even forcefully? WELL GOSH. YOU DON'T SAY.