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Caliane

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"This culture vilifies motherhood" Uh, what?
yeah, was going to quote that one too. haha. wow... just wow.

don't use "mankind" to stand in for "humanity"
. hahaha. Shouldn't it be huwomanity? could it be, "man" is just short for "human"? nah. Must be patriarchy. How could someone write that, and not realize man=human, not male.

Pits are gross though. Shaving reduces BO.
 

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Example of a diversity class.

4 - Using gendered language to describe positives/negatives
5 - Manterrupting

It's tough to be so hypocritical, but feminists regularly succeed.
Sad thing is you cant discuss those points if you care about your grade. In my cultural diversity class the papers were I more or less refuted the sjw garbage I received Cs. The midterm paper were I just regurgitated the bullshit the teacher wanted to hear? A+ and the teacher loved it so much she mentioned it to the class.

We had to read absolute garbage such as this;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dude,_You're_a_Fag
 

Xequecal

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The problem is that the recipients are insulated from the costs, so its VALUE is independent from its PRICE.

If something that costs $400k is available to you at a massive subsidy and a deferred amortization of a $100 bucks a month for the next thirty years. Then yeah, you'd prolly not take very good care of it and waste it hanging out with your flunkie friends and cruise through Film School pretending to give a shit about black and white Danish movies.

It doesn't matter if it's a new house, or a maserati or a business handed down to you by your gay uncle---there is nothing in human affairs that adds value more thanADVERSITY.You remove it and no artificial price control can ever make up for that lost value.
The real problem with "free college" is you basically create a caste system that divides people based on their grades on some standardized test, or their high school GPA. Because, you know, the countries with free college don't let everyone go to college. It's far, far harder to get into college in these countries than it is here. Not only that, but in these countries there are no second chances, period. If your high school GPA or test score sucked, you're done. Enjoy your lifetime of retail or blue collar work because you can never go back.

Implementing free college has the real risk of turning the US education system into something like South Korea, where students are expected to spend 12 hours a day every single day going to school or studying starting from age 14 until about age 22. Or, alternatively, something like Germany where they start applying statistical methods to the kids at a very young age in order to route them towards the fields they're most likely to show the most aptitude for. In Germany it is very possible to rule yourself out of ever becoming a doctor or lawyer with a bad test score at age 12.
 

Cad

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The real problem with "free college" is you basically create a caste system that divides people based on their grades on some standardized test, or their high school GPA.
What are the actual flaws of that? Are the issues with the Gymnasium/etc systems in Germany and SK?
 

Xequecal

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What are the actual flaws of that? Are the issues with the Gymnasium/etc systems in Germany and SK?
The South Korean system is so competitive that parents have stopped having children, because they know they cannot possibly afford to provide a future for more than one. I think it's down below 1.2 children per woman now. Spending every waking hour studying isn't enough to make it anymore unless you're exceptionally bright, so parents have to send their kids to expensive cram schools for the equivalent of five figures a year to help them study even harder. Men have it even worse because men under age 21 in SK are basically not permitted to crack or show any kind of strain under this pressure. Any signs of mental problems or any kind of outward show of weakness to their peers is a real problem, because they'll eventually have to do their military service with those peers. If they give their peers any cause to doubt their ability to keep calm under fire they'll get discharged which basically amounts to permanent exile from SK society. Performing your service successfully is viewed as more important than your life in SK and you can't fail at it.

Germany is nowhere near that hardcore but it basically amounts to the government deciding what your profession is going to be for you. The job market in Germany is extremely regimented, most higher level positions absolutely require a specific degree from a list of approved universities and there is no getting around this requirement. A $200 million/year US CEO could go to Germany and wouldn't be able to get a $75k management job because they don't have the right degree. The government has statistics that show that kids that score X-Y on Z test are most likely to perform best at ABC professions so when you get done with grade school you take the test and they assign you to a school based on those criteria. The school you end up in determines whether or not you can attend university at all, because the universities pretty much only accept applicants from certain high schools. So if you fuck that test up you can't go to college, which means the higher level jobs are permanently closed off. You could theoretically pay for college yourself in Germany but the tax rate is so high there that's basically impossible for someone working a blue collar degree-less job to ever afford.
 

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The South Korean system is so competitive that parents have stopped having children, because they know they cannot possibly afford to provide a future for more than one. I think it's down below 1.2 children per woman now. Spending every waking hour studying isn't enough to make it anymore unless you're exceptionally bright, so parents have to send their kids to expensive cram schools for the equivalent of five figures a year to help them study even harder. Men have it even worse because men under age 21 in SK are basically not permitted to crack or show any kind of strain under this pressure. Any signs of mental problems or any kind of outward show of weakness to their peers is a real problem, because they'll eventually have to do their military service with those peers. If they give their peers any cause to doubt their ability to keep calm under fire they'll get discharged which basically amounts to permanent exile from SK society. Performing your service successfully is viewed as more important than your life in SK and you can't fail at it.

Germany is nowhere near that hardcore but it basically amounts to the government deciding what your profession is going to be for you. The job market in Germany is extremely regimented, most higher level positions absolutely require a specific degree from a list of approved universities and there is no getting around this requirement. A $200 million/year US CEO could go to Germany and wouldn't be able to get a $75k management job because they don't have the right degree. The government has statistics that show that kids that score X-Y on Z test are most likely to perform best at ABC professions so when you get done with grade school you take the test and they assign you to a school based on those criteria. The school you end up in determines whether or not you can attend university at all, because the universities pretty much only accept applicants from certain high schools. So if you fuck that test up you can't go to college, which means the higher level jobs are permanently closed off. You could theoretically pay for college yourself in Germany but the tax rate is so high there that's basically impossible for someone working a blue collar degree-less job to ever afford.
Freedom!
 

Aaron

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The almost free college system I have grown up in has the opposite effect. Because it's free it's supposed to be all inclusive, so everyone is supposed to be able to get a degree. The result is that you can get in with lower and lower grades, and graduate with a degree after having barley studied. The result is that you basically need a BA degree to get a receptionist job and MA/MS for a reasonable position. Basically it means that BA/BS is just a glorified high school diploma with no real worth, but youhaveto get one or else you're just going to be cleaning toilets for the rest of your life. It's quite ridiculous. It has also shifted people away from trade schools.

It definitely has a feel of "the bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy" feel to it.
 

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Germany is nowhere near that hardcore but it basically amounts to the government deciding what your profession is going to be for you. The job market in Germany is extremely regimented, most higher level positions absolutely require a specific degree from a list of approved universities and there is no getting around this requirement. A $200 million/year US CEO could go to Germany and wouldn't be able to get a $75k management job because they don't have the right degree. The government has statistics that show that kids that score X-Y on Z test are most likely to perform best at ABC professions so when you get done with grade school you take the test and they assign you to a school based on those criteria. The school you end up in determines whether or not you can attend university at all, because the universities pretty much only accept applicants from certain high schools. So if you fuck that test up you can't go to college, which means the higher level jobs are permanently closed off. You could theoretically pay for college yourself in Germany but the tax rate is so high there that's basically impossible for someone working a blue collar degree-less job to ever afford.
SK might be a little crazy but in Germany, its the companies deciding who to hire, not the govt, right? So the companies close off all employees except the ones with X Y Z degrees that they approve?

Is that market-decided in Germany or is it govt intervention on who companies can hire?
 

khorum

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That's a pretty broad generalization, but we have similar apportioned education systems in our public schools---between public magnet schools, lab schools and accelerated public college prep schools, US public high schools actually have hyper-paretized segmentation where about 15% of high achieving public school students are apportioned to programs that are comparable to outcomes enjoyed byaverageprivate prep schools.

It accomplishes the exact opposite of the DEMOCRATIZATION that public schools were supposed to achieve...especially with common-core mandated performance testing leading some failing public schools to exploit the zero-tolerance disciplinary rules to expel low-scoring kids to protect the administrator's performance scores (and thus their jobs).
 

Cad

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That's a pretty broad generalization, but we have similar apportioned education systems in our public schools---between public magnet schools, lab schools and accelerated public college prep schools, US public high schools actually have hyper-paretized segmentation where about 15% of high achieving public school students are apportioned to programs that are comparable to outcomes enjoyed byaverageprivate prep schools.

It accomplishes the exact opposite of the DEMOCRATIZATION that public schools were supposed to achieve...especially with common-core mandated performance testing leading some failing public schools to exploit the zero-tolerance disciplinary rules to expel low-scoring kids to protect the administrator's performance scores (and thus their jobs).
I remember being in LEAP/TAG classes in a school with 650kids/class year and I was in all my classes with the same 50 kids. It was basically the top 8-10% of the class that was in separate classes for all AP/honors/TAG. When we had to take a class with the regulars kids it was like going into zombie-town. They didn't care, didn't pay attention, talked in class, etc. Don't know if separate classes are really a bad thing.
 

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When only 10% of high school graduates went to college the selection of the best at a young age made sense. When 50% of high school graduates go to college the system starts to break simply because limited social mobility for non college graduates. There is simply much better social mobility in a system where you take the top 10% and leave the other 90% to compete with each other, than one where 50% of population is simply assigned ether into the lifetimes winners group or the losers group based on there childhood school performance.
 

khorum

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Well it's definitely a GREAT idea for that top decile.

The prospect is a lot less inviting for working single moms who have to compete with Chief Keef's lyrics and the neighborhood, um, "father figures" to come home and hear that their kid isn't eligible for the one school in her district with a high school graduation rate above 60%.