Lithose_sl said:
Asgardians protect the 9 realms, Asgardians don't care about the 9 realms! Column logic. Can you even go a post without contradicting yourself.
Hey dip shit, the point of Thor 1 was pointing out that a KING IS THE SERVANT OF HIS SUBJECTS. That was the whole fucking point of the spell placed on Mjolnir, and it was a fucking spell, Thor REFERS to it as a spell, Thor says they are one in the same. Do you watch these films? Seriously, do you?
O he mad now folks, you know you are winning the Debate now. I wish they Had a Trump emoji for this, it works so perfectly
Lets continue to tear him apart point by point shall we.
Asgardians do not take orders from thier subjects. They are protectors of the 9 realms, if anything inteferes with that directive they could care less about adhering to it.
2nd Thor isn't the King ;} You seem to think Thor has always been in Control, but Asgardians still think Odin is very much alive.
Thor's hammer we don't know enough about yet. They haven't done any backstory on it, and it difers from the Comic Book version.
We have to assume it is another cosmic weapon made by the Celestials.
Thor believes everything is magic, hence when Jane tells them it's really just science they don't understand.
Do you watch these films? I think not.
Lithose_sl said:
Seems like you're making up a bunch of stuff here to try and salvage a terrible argument that is already a Red Herring. Thor could have taken it on his own too. SO WHY DID STARK GET IT. Why did Thor trust him with it? There are a thousand hypoetheticals here that keep Stark from getting it, you're making shit up to try and give stark more responsibility...that's your argument now "I'll make something up that didn't happen, and thus it absolves everyone else.".
Because the bank robber COULD have driven himself away from the scene, it means his getaway driver and look out aren't responsible. Col
Hmm your argument was Stark could never do this on his own, I'm clearly showing you he had every resource to be Avengerless, and Ultron would still exist.
Shifting goal posts? seems to be your specialty
I don't personally want anything. If I was an avenger, I'd go full Tyrant mode--fuck humans. I'd certainly understand their logic when they asked me to take responsabiliyt for my shit. But then I'd just laugh and do it anyway. Because being a good guy is dumb.
But that doesn't stop me, again, from understanding the struggle inherent in these stories for good people. Why people pay attention when someone weaker says "dude, your shit was kind of the reason I'm suffering". Sometimes the logic is flawed, like J Jonah Jameson blaming spidey for stopping a super villain that was completely unrelated to him. But sometimes people are being logical about their responsibility, especially with something like Ultron. But being 'logical about assigning blame' doesn't mean you're right. Might makes right. But might doesn't take away responsibility, it just gives you a way to not assume the consequence of it.
In short, villain or Anti-hero thinking. But not what this conversation was about. The conversation was about responsibility, and again, that is different from being simply too powerful for consequence.
So these Avengers are responsible for almost destroying the world, as well as saving it multiple times.
Asgardians are responsible for losing all their items across the universe.
Kree are responsible for making In-Humans
and so on ,and so on.
Avengers signing that shit was the first step to Super Human registration. Let's round them up, and tag em. Keeps us safe at night right?
They talk about activating the Tesseract in the start of the Avengers. SHIELD had already made weapons, like Hydra, before that point. Simple logic indicates that you can make weapons, without activating the tesseract.
Like this isn't hard...I have to break everything down into baby food for you, it is exhausting.
Also, yeah, in Cap 1, Red Skull talks about Norse Lore and Odin's treasure room. I should have said "nothing in Thor" talks about Odin having it. Within Norse Lore, Odin is said to have had it. And we can assume he did because you need it to build the bifrost.
Holy shit, you have to be trollin now, or you really are on the Astrotard level.
You guys are talking about the Tesseract activating an actual portal for travel! when we were having a conversation on how the Tesseract could be found..
Clearly the tesseract isn't laying dormant when Hydra had it....
If any other worlds were to find it, that would be the time. Also like I said, we have no clue what Hydra did with the Tesseract the whole time it was in their possession.
Lithose_sl said:
Also, yeah, in Cap 1, Red Skull talks about Norse Lore and Odin's treasure room. I should have said "nothing in Thor" talks about Odin having it. Within Norse Lore, Odin is said to have had it. And we can assume he did because you need it to build the bifrost.
O, yeah you've been wrong many times. At least you are taking " responsibility" for it now, and I didn't even need an "Accord"!
Mic Drop...
