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As well as basic understanding of fractions.
I think for a lot of these things, it's legitimately hard to imagine the implications of not knowing something that you've always known. Fractions are a perfect example. I've seen multiple adults in our age range that have absolutely zero concept of fractions. You throw a / in a printed number and their brain goes blank. They might generally understand what half means, but "which is bigger, a third or a fifth?"... deer in the fucking headlights. Most people probably never really need to do actual operations on fractions, but just try to imagine not having an intuitive understanding of ratio and proportion. The technology we use has certainly advanced, but the raw capability of the typical individual? Scary thoughts...
 
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Sometimes I have to go to a job site for measurements and a quick discussion with a few engineers and field people (project managers) and such. A number of sites you can't carry a phone and it's amazing the number of engineers and people that use math all day in their job can't add 2+2 without first reaching for their phone and then scratching their head for a minute.

I've met a number of people in the last 35 years that can do it with minimal work and one guy that could do it without a computer or a calculator and not even a slide rule lol. Some people just wired for it I guess. I use a foot and inch trig calculator like 99.9% of the people in my line of work.

Speaking of fractions. I ordered a cheap set of small open end wrenches for in the house working on my guitars. Not my normal stuff out in the shop. The metric in the case were in order 8, 9, 10 etc...
The imperial almost were, but not quite. 1/4, 3/8, 5/16, 7/16

In my day 5/16 went between 1/4 and 3/8.

Son of my niece is pretty on the ball kid starting high school this fall. He's already attending classes and seminars on differnt things he might want to pursue. At least he's networking. But like others I am guessing he pulls the "I missed that during Covid so I don't know it". Well gee maybe look it up or watch a video. He things I'm joking when I say when you get to a real job with older people they will make fun of you if you can't do basic shit that is expected. My sister was saying some of the kids missed how to tell time on an analog clock/watch during covid and they have been argueing if it's worth going back to it. Gee how long would it take? Where the hell are their parents? I still go to do a number of job sites that have a non digital clock in the shop and some a non digital time clock for time cards.
 
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I think for a lot of these things, it's legitimately hard to imagine the implications of not knowing something that you've always known. Fractions are a perfect example. I've seen multiple adults in our age range that have absolutely zero concept of fractions. You throw a / in a printed number and their brain goes blank. They might generally understand what half means, but "which is bigger, a third or a fifth?"... deer in the fucking headlights. Most people probably never really need to do actual operations on fractions, but just try to imagine not having an intuitive understanding of ratio and proportion. The technology we use has certainly advanced, but the raw capability of the typical individual? Scary thoughts...
I can't remember which fast food place it was, but years back they introduced the 1/3 lb burger. Hardly anyone bought it because they thought it was inferior to the 1/4 pounder.
 
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some of the kids missed how to tell time on an analog clock/watch during covid and they have been argueing if it's worth going back to it.
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I hope they didn't miss shoe-tying week, otherwise loafers or velcro forever!
 

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I am just waiting for another country to copy Vero 3 but remove all restrictions. That is the one that will make ...a lot.
 

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I can't remember which fast food place it was, but years back they introduced the 1/3 lb burger. Hardly anyone bought it because they thought it was inferior to the 1/4 pounder.

This was Wendy's I think, from back in the 80's or 90's. Also possibly A&W? I definitely bought plenty of 1/3lb bacon cheeseburgers in my teenage years.


-edit- now my brain is also thinking Braum's.
 

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A lot of these skills are just becoming obsolete as technology changes. I had to learn how to write script in elementary school, I haven't used it since. Even then, it never looked nearly as good as the elegant and consistent handwriting my grandparents (who wrote actual, multi-page letters to people) had. Analog clocks are the same way for kids growing up in a digital world. The necessity for certain skills just disappears and even if they are taught to kids in school, they atrophy from lack of use soon after.


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A lot of these skills are just becoming obsolete as technology changes. I had to learn how to write script in elementary school, I haven't used it since. Even then, it never looked nearly as good as the elegant and consistent handwriting my grandparents (who wrote actual, multi-page letters to people) had. Analog clocks are the same way for kids growing up in a digital world. The necessity for certain skills just disappears and even if they are taught to kids in school, they atrophy from lack of use soon after.


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Done with AI. Not solely done by AI.
 

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Tech is not going to be a bloodbath in the way you think. As long as our executives are under the impression that retard + AI = experienced programmer it is inevitable that this collapses on itself.

The longterm problem is going to be juniors getting no experience or the wrong kind of experience. As no matter what fancy bullshit you superimpose onto your system the nuts and bolts of how computer technology functions is not much different today than it was 30 years ago. In order to make these large systems of systems of work you simply cannot get around having to know the ins and outs of them. Much of this can and is automated but if you lack any comprehension of that level of it you have no chance of having AI just fill that gap for you.

As I mentioned in the IT thread. Much of the space I work in runs on SQL. A 50+ year old programming language. I have interviewed junior devs who were recent graduates of computer science programs who had no understanding of it. Despite it being ubiquitous in the database world.