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The problem with the hyper spread is that once you get behind against it things fall apart rather quickly because of the tempo and how it destroys opposing defenses fatigue levels. The best way to beat it is sustaining long scoring drives by your offense. Your defensive play has little to do with it outside of the obvious not giving up big plays before your offense can get rolling. Another thing is that Oregon's version is the philosophy taken to the max. Pretty sure the big twelve spread team's aren't running a play every 15-20 seconds like the ducks are.

Having said that it is a viable offensive tactic in college ball where you out athlete the opponents defense across the board, so no really anger towards it. I just feel that it dumbs down the game as a whole and isn't terribly exciting to watch.
 
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Texas held the Oregon offense to 16 points in the bowl game last year. It held the Baylor offense to 21 this year. These offenses can be stopped but not many coaches know how and you need athletes on defense.
 
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It's not a matter of it being unstoppable. It's a matter of giving the offense a gigantic fucking advantage for doing nothing more than playing in a simplistic but accelerated manner. It's about a less aesthetically pleasing experience because you know guys putting up Nintendo numbers are doing so primarily due to their systems and not their skills. It's about the NFL getting even less competent QBs in the league than before because guys don't know how to do anything other than run the spread and go fast because there's literally no reason not to run it in college because it is so ridiculously advantageous. It is hurting football as a whole. The fact that it has taken over to the extent it has should tell you all you need to know about how strong it is. I'm not saying kill it, I'm saying reign it in just a hair so running 4 total plays out of 5 different formations isn't the extent of a hugely productive playbook.
 
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Foggy_sl said:
Texas held the Oregon offense to 16 points in the bowl game last year. It held the Baylor offense to 21 this year. These offenses can be stopped but not many coaches know how and you need athletes on defense.
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Takes a true homer to try and point out the one stat to try and make his team look good. Doesn't mean their offense didn't run/pass all over you all. I am pretty sure they gave two shits about that bowl since they were 10-2 going to play a 8-4 unranked texas when they were fucked over not going to a BCS bowl. Oregon held the Texas offense to 7 points. So not like they had to lay it on thick on a shit team in a shit bowl. They could have sat their offense the entire game and won.

The entire 4th quarter Oregon threw the ball just 1 time to run out the clock.

Ya they can be stopped. Wasn't stopped by Texas at the Alamo Bowl.
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Commander Vimeseh_sl said:
The problem with the hyper spread is that once you get behind against it things fall apart rather quickly because of the tempo and how it destroys opposing defenses fatigue levels. The best way to beat it is sustaining long scoring drives by your offense. Your defensive play has little to do with it outside of the obvious not giving up big plays before your offense can get rolling. Another thing is that Oregon's version is the philosophy taken to the max. Pretty sure the big twelve spread team's aren't running a play every 15-20 seconds like the ducks are.

Having said that it is a viable offensive tactic in college ball where you out athlete the opponents defense across the board, so no really anger towards it. I just feel that it dumbs down the game as a whole and isn't terribly exciting to watch.
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I agree. The biggest problem when playing the spread is having a 3 and out on your offense especially after Oregon gets a score (and the 2 point they go for). You simply cannot have an offense that has more than a couple Three and Outs in the first quarter and the start or the 3rd quarter or you will get torched for the rest of the game. You absolutely have to control the time of possession against these types of teams. The "momentum" does not swing back in those types of games very often. Unless its a Baylor/TCU abberation. Playing speed for speed is folly with these guys. Hike the fucking ball at 2 on the play clock, get 3-4 yards a carry, and tell your RB to lay his ass on the ground an extra two seconds and do it all over again. Hit the safe routes on third and medium and when its second and short, get the first down. Pick your downfield bombs at the start of the second half. Lane kiffin loved to dial up the 50 yard blake sims to cooper bombs on the first play of the game. You just can't get behind the count like that when Oregon goes to town.

Also your 2nd year players running scout teams can't go as fast as teams like that in practice. So unless you play those type of teams a ton its hard as hell to get a handle on them. Just like its a pain in the ass to play a triple-option/ Wing -T team nowadays. Someone needs to bring back the Nebraska 90s wishbone skullfuckery and sexy it up a bit with a spread passing game, and keeping defenses honest with a fuck ton of play action seams and streaks in the bone. With a Cam Newton type I bet that would be fucking amazing to see.


Oh and the 9-6 LSU/Bama game was still the game of the century guys.
 
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WhatsAmmataU_sl said:
You can be a UGA fan gilg. We still play football like grown ups.
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You do, you do. Like grown men who always lose a game or two inexplicably, but grown men nonetheless. Good luck with little Schottenheimer.

But I bleed orange, and we just signed our third four star QB of the class despite having an incumbent starter who is just a sophomore. God bless Butch Jones.

Hopefully one of them is capable of snapping the ball every 15 seconds and running all five of our plays in two years.
 
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The theory behind the spread offense of today isn't any different than the wishbone/triple option offense of half a century ago. Back then, it was the elite schools just lining up and forcing the ball right down your throat, over and over and over again with their size/strength advantage.

Teams eventually caught up to the size/strength disadvantage. In the first half of the 1900s, service academies had a HUGE advantage with their superior endurance training. Army and Navy were very elite. Once you get to the post-WW2 era, most teams were running and could match them in endurance and then the big advantage became strength(kids in the midwest and south growing up on farms, and being able to throw people around) Think of the dominant teams of the 60s and 70s, the Oklahomas, Nebraskas, Ohio St, Michigan, Alabama. They had massive lineman who just tossed other teams around like ragdolls. With todays health science, strength and endurance is everywhere, now the only somewhat non-teachable commodity is speed, and that is the currency of current college football. The elite teams that have the elite speed want to outrun you.

Nowadays, the spread/triple option isn't used but by a couple programs, and it only works there because it is such a completely strange anomaly that it works from the sheer surprise factor. The hurry up will probably be the same way in 5-10 years. Once everyone is doing it, and everyone is practicing against it, everyone will be able to defend it and teams will have find something new.

Honestly, college football has never been about who has the best coach, or who runs the best scheme, it comes down to out-talenting the other guy more often than not. Sure, once you get to the top 5 to 10 programs, they all have elite talent and then at that point something like coaching can make the small difference you need, but for 90% of teams in college football, the more talented team is going to win WAY more often than not. I mean, we all bag on Texas for what they've done with their talent over the last couple years, but they can still line up and win purely based on talent against probably 90 of the 120 D1 teams any day of the week. On the flip side, give the Georgia State roster to Nick Saban, and they still aren't a good team. Talent means everything.
 
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Gilgamel_sl said:
You do, you do. Like grown men who always lose a game or two inexplicably, but grown men nonetheless. Good luck with little Schottenheimer.

But I bleed orange, and we just signed our third four star QB of the class despite having an incumbent starter who is just a sophomore. God bless Butch Jones.

Hopefully one of them is capable of snapping the ball every 15 seconds and running all five of our plays in two years.
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Schotts fired!
 
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joeboo_sl said:
The theory behind the spread offense of today isn't any different than the wishbone/triple option offense of half a century ago. Back then, it was the elite schools just lining up and forcing the ball right down your throat, over and over and over again with their size/strength advantage.

Teams eventually caught up to the size/strength disadvantage. In the first half of the 1900s, service academies had a HUGE advantage with their superior endurance training. Army and Navy were very elite. Once you get to the post-WW2 era, most teams were running and could match them in endurance and then the big advantage became strength(kids in the midwest and south growing up on farms, and being able to throw people around) Think of the dominant teams of the 60s and 70s, the Oklahomas, Nebraskas, Ohio St, Michigan, Alabama. They had massive lineman who just tossed other teams around like ragdolls. With todays health science, strength and endurance is everywhere, now the only somewhat non-teachable commodity is speed, and that is the currency of current college football. The elite teams that have the elite speed want to outrun you.

Nowadays, the spread/triple option isn't used but by a couple programs, and it only works there because it is such a completely strange anomaly that it works from the sheer surprise factor. The hurry up will probably be the same way in 5-10 years. Once everyone is doing it, and everyone is practicing against it, everyone will be able to defend it and teams will have find something new.

Honestly, college football has never been about who has the best coach, or who runs the best scheme, it comes down to out-talenting the other guy more often than not. Sure, once you get to the top 5 to 10 programs, they all have elite talent and then at that point something like coaching can make the small difference you need, but for 90% of teams in college football, the more talented team is going to win WAY more often than not. I mean, we all bag on Texas for what they've done with their talent over the last couple years, but they can still line up and win purely based on talent against probably 90 of the 120 D1 teams any day of the week. On the flip side, give the Georgia State roster to Nick Saban, and they still aren't a good team. Talent means everything.
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Im pretty sure Nick Saban walked straight to the plane after shaking Urban Meyer's hand and went to go recruit a couple of fucking safeties who can stop a 60 yard bomb and a QB who wont throw a Pick 6 in crunch time. Or checked on his AJ McCarron clone underneath the false floor in the Ferguson Center...
 
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Bama's problem is their corners are shit and have been for two years. I don't know how Saban can recruit nothing but 5 stars and still end up with guys who can't run.
 
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Gilgamel_sl said:
Bama's problem is their corners are shit and have been for two years. I don't know how Saban can recruit nothing but 5 stars and still end up with guys who can't run.
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They were playing true freshmen a ton this year. It's really hard to follow who is in when because the CBS games really suck at giving a clear perspective on the field..and im too lazy to look it up
 
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remember the guy that planted the Bama flag on A&Ms stadium during construction?

Yeah, he killed himself over the backlash

Flag Prank Fallout Led To Suicide

to be fair, it was the backlash because he made jokes on Facebook about doing shoddy work on the stadium, and then no one would hire him anymore. Shocker there.
 
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Governor's Inauguration BBQ is tonight so I'll be missing it as well. Too bad Arkansas isn't playing because there would certainly be a rescheduling of the events or they'd have tons of TVs set up to watch.
 
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