College Football 2014-15

Joeboo

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Edit: Of course, this all becomes moot if Baylor shits the bed against K-State.
Unless you're a Georgia fan, and then you bitch and moan about not winning your division despite the fact that you flat-out lost more games. According to Georgia fans, Baylor should still win the B12 in that scenario, because they beat the champion head to head, despite losing more games overall. Heck, by that logic, Ole Miss should be representing the SEC West in the championship game, since they beat Alabama...
 

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Why are we blaming the Big 12 for a restriction that the NCAA puts in place? If UT wasn't such a pussy-hurt program and didn't run off 4 schools from the conference because of their absolute shit of a tv deal, we'd still have a championship game.

Edit: Of course, this all becomes moot if Baylor shits the bed against K-State.
Texas was butt-hurt over having its own TV deal? Other way around there.

In other news, Big 12 the number 1 conference:
College football conference power rankings: Big 12 No. 1 ahead of SEC - ESPN
 

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No, UT was butt-hurt over having to share TV revenue like every other conference does. THAT lead to the UT Network.
False. Texas approached A&M about doing a joint network, A&M balked claiming it wouldn't be profitable. Texas approached the Big 12, the conference balked. Texas approached ESPN, the LHN was born for $300 million. The Big 12 teams freaked out.

Also, the Big 12 never shared its 3rd tier rights, which is what Texas sold to create the LHN. Each team was responsible for selling its own 3rd tier rights, which nobody believed to be truly profitable.

Lastly, as a Baylor fan, you should thank God that Texas has the LHN. The LHN is the only reason Texas, OU, OSU, and Tech are not in the PAC 12. Baylor is only in a Power 5 conference because of the LHN.
 

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False. Texas approached A&M about doing a joint network, A&M balked claiming it wouldn't be profitable. Texas approached the Big 12, the conference balked. Texas approached ESPN, the LHN was born for $300 million. The Big 12 teams freaked out.
Texas did not approach the B12. Texas IS the B12. If Texas had wanted an all-encompassing league TV channel it would have happened, since what they say, goes in that conference. I don't believe for one second that Texas went to the other 11 schools with an idea for a B12 network that evenly shared TV revenue. The closest thing to reality that probably happened there was Texas went to the other 11 schools wanting a network where Texas still took more than their fair share of the money, they never offered an even split to everyone. And thats how you lose 1/3 of the teams in your conference...
 

Foggy

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Texas did not approach the B12. Texas IS the B12. If Texas had wanted an all-encompassing league TV channel it would have happened, since what they say, goes in that conference. I don't believe for one second that Texas went to the other 11 schools with an idea for a B12 network that evenly shared TV revenue. The closest thing to reality that probably happened there was Texas went to the other 11 schools wanting a network where Texas still took more than their fair share of the money, they never offered an even split to everyone. And thats how you lose 1/3 of the teams in your conference...
The dynamics of the conference were different before Nebraska and Colorado left. There was much more of a North v South among the schools. Texas and OU, together, mainly controlled the Big 12, which is the main reason Nebraska ultimately left. Missouri also carried some influence due to the Kansas City market. It was in that environment the idea for a network was pitched. Nobody thought a third tier rights network would get off the ground, the same reason A&M initially said no.

Texas does control the Big 12 now because without Nebraska and Missouri, Texas is the only school capable of keeping the conference afloat financially. So yes, Texas does control the conference now, though it still likes to do everything in step with OU. But the current conference makeup isn't what existed while a network was being discussed.

Once the LHN was born, everybody wanted a piece and Texas told everybody to fuck off after doing all the work themselves. That, the instability due to TV contracts ending and Texas not committing to the conference, and A&M's little brother syndrome were the catalyst for Missouri and A&M leaving. Nebraska would have left even if the LHN was never created.

For the record, I wish the Big 12 would die. The quality of football is actually really good but the perception sucks and the conference footprint is way too small. Ideally, the ACC and Big 12 would take their best schools and combine. Something like Texas, OU, TTech, OSU, WVU, Clemson, FSU, GTech, UNC, Miami, Louisville, Duke, Kansas, KState. That would be stacked football and basketball conference with a massive footprint. Won't happen, oh well.
 

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Looks like we've offered Muschamp $1.5M for the DC position. Time to wait and see what happens.
 

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So basically if it wasn't for Big Daddy T holding Baylor's hand the Bears would be in the Sunbelt Conference?

Foggy saying your program aint shit. You need to check his burnt orange privilege.
 

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So basically if it wasn't for Big Daddy T holding Baylor's hand the Bears would be in the Sunbelt Conference?

Foggy saying your program aint shit. You need to check his burnt orange privilege.
He can't because he knows it is true.
 
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The dynamics of the conference were different before Nebraska and Colorado left. There was much more of a North v South among the schools. Texas and OU, together, mainly controlled the Big 12, which is the main reason Nebraska ultimately left. Missouri also carried some influence due to the Kansas City market. It was in that environment the idea for a network was pitched. Nobody thought a third tier rights network would get off the ground, the same reason A&M initially said no.

Texas does control the Big 12 now because without Nebraska and Missouri, Texas is the only school capable of keeping the conference afloat financially. So yes, Texas does control the conference now, though it still likes to do everything in step with OU. But the current conference makeup isn't what existed while a network was being discussed.

Once the LHN was born, everybody wanted a piece and Texas told everybody to fuck off after doing all the work themselves. That, the instability due to TV contracts ending and Texas not committing to the conference, and A&M's little brother syndrome were the catalyst for Missouri and A&M leaving. Nebraska would have left even if the LHN was never created.

For the record, I wish the Big 12 would die. The quality of football is actually really good but the perception sucks and the conference footprint is way too small. Ideally, the ACC and Big 12 would take their best schools and combine. Something like Texas, OU, TTech, OSU, WVU, Clemson, FSU, GTech, UNC, Miami, Louisville, Duke, Kansas, KState. That would be stacked football and basketball conference with a massive footprint. Won't happen, oh well.
I feel like the SEC would take Virginia Tech and Virginia in a heartbeat if the ACC folded. So yeah, do that.
 

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Yes UT runs the Big 12 and out finances Baylor by a huge margin and out recruits Baylor. Which why it is all the more satisfying when Baylor kicks the shit out of UT up and down the field regularly. UT cant out coach or out play Baylor. If UT did create a symuper conference they'd still be an unranked dumpster fire getting their asses kicked on a regular basis.
 

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Yes UT runs the Big 12 and out finances Baylor by a huge margin and out recruits Baylor. Which why it is all the more satisfying when Baylor kicks the shit out of UT up and down the field regularly. UT cant out coach or out play Baylor. If UT did create a symuper conference they'd still be an unranked dumpster fire getting their asses kicked on a regular basis.
It's cool, it is just temporary. Baylor is just a flash in the pan. Enjoy being relevant while you can, it is ending soon.
 

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Pretty startling numbers showing the difference between Alabama and Missouri recruiting as of late... (Article from ESPN Insider,SEC Blog - ESPN)

When the Missouri Tigers take on the Alabama Crimson Tide on Saturday afternoon in the SEC championship game it will feature two teams with drastically different styles -- both on the field and in recruiting.

Saturday will mark the fourth time Alabama has played in the SEC championship game under Nick Saban and the ninth time overall the Crimson Tide have played in the game; which started in 1992. For the Tigers this is their second consecutive appearance in the title game -- an astonishing feet considering they've only been in the SEC for a total of three years.

In recruiting, Alabama has landed the No. 1 recruiting class the last three years and is on pace to land its fourth in a row. The Crimson Tide continue to bring in five-star talent year-after-year. Missouri, meanwhile, has a roster filled with three-star recruits.

In fact, of the 87 players Missouri has signed since 2011, 75 of them were ranked three-star prospects or lower. During that same period the Tigers signed only one five-star prospect -- Dorial Green-Beckham, who was eventually kicked off the team, and 11 four-star prospects. For comparison, Alabama has landed seven five-star prospects and 67 four-star prospects during that same period.

It's no secret Missouri has done a tremendous job of developing the talent it brings in.

Missouri is in contention for the No. 1 player in the ESPN 300, Terry Beckner Jr.
Missouri's associate athletic director for communications, Chad Moller, said Missouri's recruiting philosophy is simple. Recruit speed.

"Our philosophy is to evaluate identify the kids who our coaches feel are the right fit for our program from an athleticism standpoint, as well as academic, personality, mental toughness, all of that stuff," Moller said in an email. "They never go after anyone based on how high-profile or for that matter, how low-profile they might be perceived.

"They look hard for kids that have the potential to grow, and speed is a huge factor, they feel like they can teach a fast kid to play football and get him developed in our strength and conditioning program."

Missouri's current recruiting class is led by ESPN 300 quarterback Drew Lock, who -- according to Maxpreps -- threw for 2,717 yards and 28 touchdowns with only five interceptions as a senior. The Tigers are still in hot pursuit of the No. 1-ranked player in the ESPN 300 Terry Beckner Jr. The talented defensive tackle visited Florida State this past weekend and there is no question Missouri will have to battle to keep the East Saint Louis (Ill.) native close to home, but the Tigers are certainly right in the mix.

With Missouri's success over the last two seasons, the Tigers have started to feel the impact in recruiting. Missouri finished the 2014 class ranked 34th in the country and have the same ranking this year. Of the Tigers 28 2014 signees, 21 of them were from out-of-state including 13 from the recruiting hotbeds Florida, Georgia and Texas. This year the Tigers only have 12 commits so far, but half of their commits are ranked four-star prospects.

With big wins over Florida, South Carolina, Texas A&M and Tennessee, the Tigers will only strengthen their recruiting presence in those fertile southern states. Playing the SEC championship in Atlanta will also draw the attention of recruits from Georgia.

With continued success on the field, head coach Gary Pinkel and his staff will continue to open the eyes of recruits from all over SEC country.

The Tigers' coaching staff doesn't necessarily feel the pressure to land five-star recruits every year because they have proven finding players to fit their scheme can be just as effective. Pinkel and his Missouri staff have shown the ability to develop the talent into an SEC championship caliber team.

And while in-state recruiting will always remain a top priority for the Tigers, competing for conference championships could translate into competing for blue-chip recruits in football hotbeds such as Georgia, Florida and Texas. A big win on Saturday over Alabama would send a strong message to the rest of the SEC that Missouri is here to stay -- on the field and in recruiting.
 

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Regime, what do you think of McElwain? Truth to the rumors they'll offer him?