College Football 2014-15

Joeboo

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I could see Cincinnati, Uconn, USF, UCF, and maybe Memphis and/or Houston ended up in one of the "power" conferences eventually. The rest of the conference is trash though, no one will want them. I'll go ahead and guess that as we move towards 16-team conferences we might see Cinci, Memphis, Houston in the Big 12, and then the likes of USF and UCF in the ACC.

Basically, as soon as someone talks Notre Dame into joining their conference as a full member(football and all), the dominoes will fall quickly. On the flip side, the moment Texas and/or Oklahoma decides to leave the Big 12, that league is done and the rest of the members will be scrambling for homes.

Personally, I'd love to see the 2 Oklahoma schools join the SEC, the rest of the Texas schools can join the Pac 12(Texas, Baylor, TCU, Tech), Kstate and Iowa St join the Big 10, West Virginia in the ACC, and kansas can fuck off and burn in hell(aka go to the mountain west). Seems fair all around.

My dream conference for the SEC would be this:

4 4-team divisions. Each year you play the 3 teams in your division + 2 teams from each of the other 3 divisions, giving everyone a 9-game conference schedule

Division 1:
Missouri
Arkansas
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St

Division 2:
LSU
Texas A&M
Ole Miss
Miss ST

Division 3:
Alabama
Auburn
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

Division 4:
Georgia
Florida
South Carolina
Kentucky

That would be a badass conference, and a 9-game schedule would mean that you play EVERYONE every 4 years
 
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I really doubt anything will happen for another 5 years, when the Big 12 granting of rights ends. You could see Texas, TTech, OU, and OSU jump to PAC, ACC, or Big 10. Or the Big 12 and another conference, most likely ACC, combine and toss out the unwanted and basketball programs in their own conference.
 
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Foggy_sl said:
I really doubt anything will happen for another 5 years, when the Big 12 granting of rights ends. You could see Texas, TTech, OU, and OSU jump to PAC, ACC, or Big 10. Or the Big 12 and another conference, most likely ACC, combine and toss out the unwanted and basketball programs in their own conference.
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Do you think Texas would be more likely to take the Oklahoma schools along with them, rather than the private Texas schools?(Baylor & TCU). Obviously the Oklahoma schools(currently) are much bigger brands than Baylor & TCU and more valuable, but that could be different in 5+ years if the current trends continue.
 
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joeboo_sl said:
Do you think Texas would be more likely to take the Oklahoma schools along with them, rather than the private Texas schools?(Baylor & TCU). Obviously the Oklahoma schools(currently) are much bigger brands than Baylor & TCU and more valuable, but that could be different in 5+ years if the current trends continue.
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The only reason to take the private schools is for close games. Considering that the OU game is always in Dallas and OSU isn't exactly a far trip, that isn't a huge plus. Baylor and TCU bring nothing to the table as far as revenue. Texas already gives you the DFW Market and nobody gives a shit about the Waco market (which Texas gives as well). Those schools don't have many fans or alumni so they don't travel well or spend a lot of money; they just do not have the people. OU has a huge following and OSU isn't bad. I doubt the legislature would let Texas leave TTech behind, since it would basically kill its athletic department and Tech is a state school. The moment Baylor and TCU drop to a non-power conference, they will fall off the map again excluding the random good year here and there.

Really, Baylor and TCU are only relevant on a national level because they are in the same conference as Texas and they are beating Texas. The moment either of those two things stop, they become irrelevant again. Take Missouri, they were largely irrelevant during their entire stay in the Big 12 because they could not beat Texas or OU. The move to the SEC did not make them suddenly relevant (they just moved from one relevant conference to another). They became relevant when they started to beat the blue bloods like Florida and Georgia.
 
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Foggy_sl said:
Well that is just a stupid statement. Florida is definitely one. You can make an argument about Georgia.
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Florida and UGA aren't even in the conversation. Tennessee is easily the second most storied program in the SEC. Tennesee and Texas are very comparable historically, both behind Oklahoma/ND/Bama. Florida actually sucked as a football program before Spurrier.
 
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Gilgamel_sl said:
Florida and UGA aren't even in the conversation. Tennessee is easily the second most storied program in the SEC. Tennesee and Texas are very comparable historically, both behind Oklahoma/ND/Bama. Florida actually sucked as a football program before Spurrier.
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How long does a team have to be good for to be in the conversation? It is 20 years now for Florida. How long does a team need to be irrelevant to be dropped, like Tennessee and Michigan?

Florida has money, fans, in one of the big 3 states, multiple titles, long sustained success, good recently. How is that not a blue blood?
 
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Gilgamel_sl said:
Florida and UGA aren't even in the conversation. Tennessee is easily the second most storied program in the SEC. Tennesee and Texas are very comparable historically, both behind Oklahoma/ND/Bama. Florida actually sucked as a football program before Spurrier.
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Nebraska would be on that list before Tennessee.
 
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Florida is most definitely a blue blood elite. They have as many National titles in the past 20 years as Michigan, Ohio St, Notre Dame and Tennessee combined.

No one gives a shit about titles from before the forward pass was invented.

Theres only two SEC teams that belong on the list and its Alabama and Florida.
 
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Was gonna post that earlier. Went to the Capitol One bowl in like 2005 or whenever his last game was that they beat the shit out of Auburn. Now we get to face him again. At least Tulsa named a head coach so now Muschamp isn't going to take that head coach position.
 
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joeboo_sl said:
Florida is most definitely a blue blood elite. They have as many National titles in the past 20 years as Michigan, Ohio St, Notre Dame and Tennessee combined.

No one gives a shit about titles from before the forward pass was invented.

Theres only two SEC teams that belong on the list and its Alabama and Florida.
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So where is your cutoff? 1960? 1980? I mean if we get recent enough, you'll have to include Miami on that list.
 
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Kaines_sl said:
So where is your cutoff? 1960? 1980? I mean if we get recent enough, you'll have to include Miami on that list.
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It isn't just titles, that is simply a factor. Fan base size, history of winning, titles, tradition, money, and geography are all factors. Florida checks every box except a very long tradition, their success is more recent relative to other elite programs.

Take Michigan, they haven't been meaningfully successful in a long time and geography is bad. There are real questions about them being an elite. However, all it takes is the right coach, in theory.

To fall out of elite status is pretty hard. It took a mammoth shift in the college football landscape to take it away from Nebraska. But it is possible. The northern schools are in jeopardy due to geography issues.
 
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