College Football 2026-2027 Sorsby Finally Won a Bet

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I agree, you are not engaging in a "school loyalty" argument. It's a "I'm too stupid to understand the process is fundamentally broken and this is the logical outcome" argument.
That is just ridiculous. It is easily fixed by collective bargaining, just like in the pros. There is no coming back from allowing your players to gamble on games they influence, though, which is exactly why this particular case is different. Acting like it isn't just makes you look like a massive retard.
 

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That is just ridiculous. It is easily fixed by collective bargaining, just like in the pros. There is no coming back from allowing your players to gamble on games they influence, though, which is exactly why this particular case is different. Acting like it isn't just makes you look like a massive retard.
I agree, collective bargaining is the answer. Pity the schools are so fucking greedy they will probably still stand against it. They deserve this outcome.

Edit: If a school that shall not be named wasn't even willing to share broadcast rights with its fellow conference mates, what on fucking earth makes you think these schools will EVER come together and agree to allow collective bargaining??
 
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I agree, you are not engaging in a "school loyalty" argument. It's a "I'm too stupid to understand the process is fundamentally broken and this is the logical outcome" argument.

You are unfortunately correct. People are railing against a bullshit argument by a worthless judge, but TT has nothing to do with that outside of trying to win. Which you correctly stated all teams will do. The argument should be why do these obviously flawed judges have the power to initiate injustices in all kinds of different situations, and what can we do to neuter the Judiciary in many ways moving forward. I can only hope the judge meets a 6 percenter on a bad day in Houston. I also hope Sorsby breaks lots of bones because he's a cheating piece of shit who knew what he was doing for the past 3 years.
 
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They may not have a choice, as CFB is fucking dead from this point on. If the gambling shit is allowed to stand people are going to check out en mass over the next several years. Collective bargaining is the only way to restore any type of legitimacy. That or the power teams breaking off and forming their own league with rules strict enough as to be de facto collective bargaining.
 

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They may not have a choice, as CFB is fucking dead from this point on. If the gambling shit is allowed to stand people are going to check out en mass over the next several years. Collective bargaining is the only way to restore any type of legitimacy. That or the power teams breaking off and forming their own league with rules strict enough as to be de facto collective bargaining.
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You are unfortunately correct. People are railing against a bullshit argument by a worthless judge, but TT has nothing to do with that outside of trying to win. Which you correctly stated all teams will do. The argument should be why do these obviously flawed judges have the power to initiate injustices in all kinds of different situations, and what can we do to neuter the Judiciary in many ways moving forward. I can only hope the judge meets a 6 percenter on a bad day in Houston. I also hope Sorsby breaks lots of bones because he's a cheating piece of shit who knew what he was doing for the past 3 years.
The only part of this I disagree with is the Sorsby part. I hope he wins the Heisman and TT wins the Natty. BURN THE WHOLE FUCKING THING DOWN.
 
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I mean... since these kids need a little extra cash...

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No. The hate coming at the TTU Administration and Cody Fat-Fuck Campbell has nothing to do with them defending Sorsby and everything to do with them hiding behind gambling as a fucking disease that he is "recovering from" instead of admitting that they made a 6 million dollar gamble on a fucking retard with no good backup plan and need him to play or their season is FUCKED. Instead they are using weasel-worded language about "support" and "mental health" while dodging the fact that they could still provide Sorsby with all of these services while disallowing him from playing a single game. They went from the scrappy upstart with billionaire backing to a bunch of vile liars who will do *literally* anything to win. They can get fucked and I will relish every single second of it.
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It's moral "faggotry" because you are taking some hilarious stance thinking that 99% of the other universities wouldn't do the same exact thing. Any posturing Tech is doing is exactly what any other school would do - it's recruitment posturing etc. Tech is telling everyone to suck their nuts, pretty publicly.

This idea that Tech doing anything to win is exclusive to them, as a university, is naive beyond belief. Tell me about how morally upstanding OU is - please.

https://www.espn.com/college-footba...ahoma-john-mateer-denies-gambling-involvement - Oh what do we have here? This guy 100% must be telling the truth!
Betting on your own sport has always been the bright red line that no league would ever countenance. You whiny cunts trying to defend it as just some other NIL/eligibility issue are being willfully ignorant. Being upset that an opposing team gets another year of eligibility pales in comparison to every fan wondering if their own players are shaving points, faking injuries, or worst of all, actively taking losses to cover bets. I refuse to believe either of you are so retarded that you think this is merely a school loyalty argument.
No one is arguing that betting should be allowed, or that it's sustainable for the sport - or for any sport for that matter. As Kaines pointed out, the argument is that this was always going to happen. The NCAA and the lack of any authority they have is the issue.
What fucking crazy world are we in? Now I fucking don't trust Paxton, thr guy I just voted to be a candidate for the US Senate. Fuck him for making me root for and side with the Big XII.
You mean the AG is defending Texas-based institutions against external threats? He's doing his job? Great.
That is just ridiculous. It is easily fixed by collective bargaining, just like in the pros. There is no coming back from allowing your players to gamble on games they influence, though, which is exactly why this particular case is different. Acting like it isn't just makes you look like a massive retard.
I agree, collective bargaining is the answer. Pity the schools are so fucking greedy they will probably still stand against it. They deserve this outcome.

Edit: If a school that shall not be named wasn't even willing to share broadcast rights with its fellow conference mates, what on fucking earth makes you think these schools will EVER come together and agree to allow collective bargaining??
To finalize collective bargaining this would presume that the SEC and B1G would operate in any sort of good faith, which will never happen. These schools have one worry - "How much money can we make? Fuck everyone else."

Also, why would the players have any incentive to collectively bargain? They're winning it all right now. It will take an act of Congress. Which is what the boogeyman is proposing, but since he didn't go to my alma mater and has lots of money I have to cry about it - despite him funding the majority of my Conservative politicians and initiatives. God forbid we try to get a solution to this mess in college sports! The Campbell hatred is some Kamala Harris-voter shit - be ashamed of yourselves!



A good post summarizing why an injunction, in any scenario relating to the NCAA, should've not been surprising due to not abiding to the Sherman Antitrust Act.

Random shit:
- Judge Ken Curry graduated through the UT university system and then law school at Houston (UT and Houston lawyers actually made up part of the NCAA's defense).
- Jeffrey Kessler (Jewish super lawyer responsible for NCAA vs. Alston) & Texas Speaker of the House Dustin Burrows represented Sorsby.

https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/texas-tech-red-raiders/article/brendan-sorsby-ncaa-gambling-college-football-22297465.php - Tim Cowlishaw on how silly the outrage is.
Sorsby made two specific bets against Indiana; but he was not an active player for either. So, this isn't a point shaving/organized crime scandal.
 
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It's moral "faggotry" because you are taking some hilarious stance thinking that 99% of the other universities wouldn't do the same exact thing. Any posturing Tech is doing is exactly what any other school would do - it's recruitment posturing etc. Tech is telling everyone to suck their nuts, pretty publicly.

This idea that Tech doing anything to win is exclusive to them, as a university, is naive beyond belief. Tell me about how morally upstanding OU is - please.

https://www.espn.com/college-footba...ahoma-john-mateer-denies-gambling-involvement - Oh what do we have here? This guy 100% must be telling the truth!

No one is arguing that betting should be allowed, or that it's sustainable for the sport - or for any sport for that matter. As Kaines pointed out, the argument is that this was always going to happen. The NCAA and the lack of any authority they have is the issue.

You mean the AG is defending Texas-based institutions against external threats? He's doing his job? Great.


To finalize collective bargaining this would presume that the SEC and B1G would operate in any sort of good faith, which will never happen. These schools have one worry - "How much money can we make? Fuck everyone else."

Also, why would the players have any incentive to collectively bargain? They're winning it all right now. It will take an act of Congress. Which is what the boogeyman is proposing, but since he didn't go to my alma mater and has lots of money I have to cry about it - despite him funding the majority of my Conservative politicians and initiatives. God forbid we try to get a solution to this mess in college sports! The Campbell hatred is some Kamala Harris-voter shit - be ashamed of yourselves!



A good post summarizing why an injunction, in any scenario relating to the NCAA, should've not been surprising due to not abiding to the Sherman Antitrust Act.

Random shit:
- Judge Ken Curry graduated through the UT university system and then law school at Houston (UT and Houston lawyers actually made up part of the NCAA's defense).
- Jeffrey Kessler (Jewish super lawyer responsible for NCAA vs. Alston) & Texas Speaker of the House Dustin Burrows represented Sorsby.

https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/texas-tech-red-raiders/article/brendan-sorsby-ncaa-gambling-college-football-22297465.php - Tim Cowlishaw on how silly the outrage is.
Sorsby made two specific bets against Indiana; but he was not an active player for either. So, this isn't a point shaving/organized crime scandal.

Except every single other school that has had a player suspended/banned for gambling has refused to support the player. It’s a cardinal sin to bet on your sport and your team. Fuck Sorsby.

This isn’t some random NIL issue or the NCAA being arbitrary. He broke clear rules and shouldn’t be allowed to play, and if Tech had an ounce of integrity they would kick him off the team. Tech is too short sighted to realize it, but they just killed their football program over this. Whenever the next version of college football occurs (which this bullshit will accelerate), Tech will not have a seat at the table.

I’m curious if the NFL will even touch him. His only chance is that he plays Qb.

Also, Cowlishaw is a clickbait farming moron
 
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Except every single other school that has had a player suspended/banned for gambling has refused to support the player. It’s a cardinal sin to bet on your sport and your team. Fuck Sorsby.

This isn’t some random NIL issue or the NCAA being arbitrary. He broke clear rules and shouldn’t be allowed to play, and if Tech had an ounce of integrity they would kick him off the team. Tech is too short sighted to realize it, but they just killed their football program over this. Whenever the next version of college football occurs (which this bullshit will accelerate), Tech will not have a seat at the table.

I’m curious if the NFL will even touch him. His only chance is that he plays Qb.

Also, Cowlishaw is a clickbait farming moron
Tech was never going to be part of the Super Conference teams whether they kicked Sorsby off their team or not. Whatever the next version of college football is, Tech will be right where they were always going to be: Tier 2, fighting for scraps.
 
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Except every single other school that has had a player suspended/banned for gambling has refused to support the player. It’s a cardinal sin to bet on your sport and your team. Fuck Sorsby.

This isn’t some random NIL issue or the NCAA being arbitrary. He broke clear rules and shouldn’t be allowed to play, and if Tech had an ounce of integrity they would kick him off the team. Tech is too short sighted to realize it, but they just killed their football program over this. Whenever the next version of college football occurs (which this bullshit will accelerate), Tech will not have a seat at the table.

I’m curious if the NFL will even touch him. His only chance is that he plays Qb.

Also, Cowlishaw is a clickbait farming moron
This is a cope. So if Arch Manning gambled a bit and UT received an injunction, UT would not support him? Don't be willfully naive. The moral grandstanding is overplayed, especially coming from universities that have significant track records of supporting players who rape and steal etc.

If Tech supplies money, it will absolutely have a seat at the table. Once again, the moral grandstanding is short-sighted. You really believe all these schools care about morality? Give me a fucking break - I know the majority of you in here are Conservative voters, you out of all people should know how incredibly captured and morally bankrupt all of these schools are (Tech included).

The issue is all of you that tie your identity to your alma mater are acting in emotion, nothing more.

A slight redirection: Sorsby would've presumably been a clear favorite for a potential Heisman run; I think the chances on that are about .01%.

Ps. I'll let Campbell know you all think he's a fat fuck next time I run into him. I might even get him to write "Fires of Heaven/Rerolled" on his chest just to prove it.
 

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It's moral "faggotry" because you are taking some hilarious stance thinking that 99% of the other universities wouldn't do the same exact thing. Any posturing Tech is doing is exactly what any other school would do - it's recruitment posturing etc. Tech is telling everyone to suck their nuts, pretty publicly.

This idea that Tech doing anything to win is exclusive to them, as a university, is naive beyond belief. Tell me about how morally upstanding OU is - please.

https://www.espn.com/college-footba...ahoma-john-mateer-denies-gambling-involvement - Oh what do we have here? This guy 100% must be telling the truth!

I guarantee you that it was exactly the joke he said it was, because my football team has done EXACTLY the thing that you have claimed they wouldn't do and they have done it multiple times. If you actually read the story and were a fan, you know we were all super nervous that there was any amount of smoke because Our team is so fucking squeaky clean in this area that we self reported our players eating too much fucking pasta. It turned out that he puts retarded things in his Venmo/Cashapp memo lines going back years.

Off the top of my head since I went to school, we took harsh action on a ton of players, whether they were starters or not.

2004 Starting DT Dusty Dvoracek - Suspended indefinitely for a drunken fight that put his friend in the hospital. Came back after a year and rehab.
2006 Starting QB Rhett Bomar - Kicked off the team for good for taking money from a car dealership but not showing up for work.
2014 Starting running back Joe Mixon - 1 year suspension for punching a girl that slapped and pushed him.


Those players were all major factors on the team and in the 2006 case our backup QB ended up being a fucking converted Wide Receiver in a year OU was supposed to be in the NC hunt.

In every case, I have agreed with the decision and was actually surprised when they were allowed back on the team. In Mixon's case I was furious because the video showed it was as bad as possible. So no, I don't have to call my stance hypocritical when I think the dude should have been kicked off the team because that is the normal punishment for this violation.
 

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I guarantee you that it was exactly the joke he said it was, because my football team has done EXACTLY the thing that you have claimed they wouldn't do and they have done it multiple times. If you actually read the story and were a fan, you know we were all super nervous that there was any amount of smoke because Our team is so fucking squeaky clean in this area that we self reported our players eating too much fucking pasta. It turned out that he puts retarded things in his Venmo/Cashapp memo lines going back years.

Off the top of my head since I went to school, we took harsh action on a ton of players, whether they were starters or not.

2004 Starting DT Dusty Dvoracek - Suspended indefinitely for a drunken fight that put his friend in the hospital. Came back after a year and rehab.
2006 Starting QB Rhett Bomar - Kicked off the team for good for taking money from a car dealership but not showing up for work.
2014 Starting running back Joe Mixon - 1 year suspension for punching a girl that slapped and pushed him.


Those players were all major factors on the team and in the 2006 case our backup QB ended up being a fucking converted Wide Receiver in a year OU was supposed to be in the NC hunt.

In every case, I have agreed with the decision and was actually surprised when they were allowed back on the team. In Mixon's case I was furious because the video showed it was as bad as possible. So no, I don't have to call my stance hypocritical when I think the dude should have been kicked off the team because that is the normal punishment for this violation.
The one thing I'd note here is that this was all prior to the NCAA getting their pants ripped off (pre NCAA v Alston), so I think there was still an aura that the NCAA wielded power that it actually didn't have; in fairness to OU the NCAA got away with this forever. The Pasta thing was OU being petty towards the NCAA (which good for OU), there was nothing serious there.

I would also point to the regrettable stuff out of OU occurring during the 70-90s. There is a long track record there, as there is with almost any major university.

Also, OU pisses me off because they just kicked Rhett to the curb and fucked up Peterson's chances at more glory; he wouldn't have beat his kid if OU didn't cower to the NCAA.

There is still a chance an appeal comes prior to Sorsby ever taking the field, or that Tech just washes their hands of Sorsby. I totally get that line of reasoning, and I'm somewhat on board. That being said Campbell, Tech, and these major law firms see this as a potential bludgeoning tool against the conferences - and ultimately an accelerated push towards potential Congressional action. For anything Tech might be saying in a forward-facing posture, they had no problems moving on from Sorsby if they didn't get the injunction. If there wasn't a major bill right around the corner, I don't think Tech would've dealt with this. Would Tech have been as good? No, of course not. They were very much prepared to roll out Hammond and still probably be the presumptive favorite in the Big 12 - that being said, that's a young, but loaded defense so who knows.
 
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Once the NCAA started getting its ass kicked in court on a regular basis (circa 2020), any school that self-reported ANYTHING after that is just a bunch of cucks. Anything that happened prior to that time might as well of happened in a different timeline / universe. Today's NCAA is a fucking JOKE and deserves to be completely destroyed.
 
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The one thing I'd note here is that this was all prior to the NCAA getting their pants ripped off (pre NCAA v Alston). The Pasta thing was OU being petty towards the NCAA, there was nothing serious there.

I would also point to the regrettable stuff out of OU occurring during the 70-90s. There is a long track record there, as there is with almost any major university.

Also, OU pisses me off because they just kicked Rhett to the curb and fucked up Peterson's chances at more glory; he wouldn't have beat his kid if OU didn't cower to the NCAA.

I hear you, but I am 100% certain that if the Mateer thing had been anything other than clearly a joke that they would have kicked him of the team. Venables is that kind of coach to a fault, and OU's compliance department saw the toll that those Switzer teams took on the University's image and decided that they would rather be choir boys than even try to toe the line. The LB that just won an injunction for a medical year played 3 games of Lacrosse for 15 min total and then got injured, but didn't get a redshirt because Lacrosse is one of 2 sports that doesn't recognize redshirts if you ever step foot on the field.

Peterson was going to beat his kids with or without a NCAA Championship.
 

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I hear you, but I am 100% certain that if the Mateer thing had been anything other than clearly a joke that they would have kicked him of the team. Venables is that kind of coach to a fault, and OU's compliance department saw the toll that those Switzer teams took on the University's image and decided that they would rather be choir boys than even try to toe the line. The LB that just won an injunction for a medical year played 3 games of Lacrosse for 15 min total and then got injured, but didn't get a redshirt because Lacrosse is one of 2 sports that doesn't recognize redshirts if you ever step foot on the field.

Peterson was going to beat his kids with or without a NCAA Championship.
I think there is a good chance Mateer was just bullshitting, but who really knows (or really cares to be honest).

Also, that is racist to insinuate that Peterson would do that. I know an excellent Jewish lawyer that Peterson could probably sue the NCAA with on grounds that OU inflicted maximal mental health strain after dismissing Rhett Bomar for finding a penny (or 80,000 pennies, whatever) on the pavement of a used car dealer.

This would've been my attitude if this even happened at A&M or UT. Oddly enough, the majority of family and friends that are alma maters of those universities actually like this decision (in some roundabout way I think they hope it's productive in bringing down the bigger legacy SEC programs a notch, as they're tired of the elitist attitude even the basic SEC programs have). The quicker college athletics gets out of this mess, the better. Maybe it ultimately doesn't help, but it certainly has to add some fuel to the Senate vote for the proposed bill. I would prefer a world in which college athletics refrains from maximizing revenue/profit at the expense of all it's the other sports. There is a good chance that concludes in me being naive and silly myself; I do understand the underlying spirit in which people are mad about this whole situation.
 

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I would prefer a world in which college athletics refrains from maximizing revenue/profit at the expense of all it's the other sports. There is a good chance that concludes in me being naive and silly myself; I do understand the underlying spirit in which people are mad about this whole situation.

This is where I am. I like(d) college football because it wasn't all about the money and it was more about the fans/coaches/players having a similar commitment to the programs. I got really nervous when coaching salaries started to skyrocket because then they started ditching schools for the money and the players started realizing just how much money the sport was making for the departments.
 
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This is where I am. I like(d) college football because it wasn't all about the money and it was more about the fans/coaches/players having a similar commitment to the programs. I got really nervous when coaching salaries started to skyrocket because then they started ditching schools for the money and the players started realizing just how much money the sport was making for the departments.
As soon as college football became a revenue POSITIVE endeavor, it stopped being all about love of the school/game. And that has been true for DECADES now. This outcome has been a long long long time coming.
 
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On the other side of a potential Congressional act, there might be a world in which college football is even better than it has ever been. NIL and the transfer portal has added an element of load balancing across the landscape. It does allow schools like Indiana, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, and others to try and breach their way into the elite. It's good for the viewer when 6 schools aren't hoarding all the elite talent. Furthermore, it also helps close the gap on the incredible financial advantages the major state universities receive from their prospective state governments (or the incredible bag-men networks large universities had to pay players off the books). As much as I enjoyed watching Alabama win every other title, or Nebraska absolutely annihilate everyone in the 90s I do like the increase and added element of parity in these tourneys.

This proposed bill also doesn't do anything against transsexuals, so we still get to stick it to women by beating them in their own sports! :I'm Fine:
 

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I just found out this morning that one of the bets Sorsby placed was on the passing yards under for the starting QB at IU. This was when he was the backup for that team.

It takes the lowest faggot possible to make that bet on your own teammate.