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Gravel

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Get good at lifting first (esp. with form) before doing CrossFit - from my experience, those strong at CrossFit were all probably pretty good athletes with some weightlifting experience back in their younger days and are at far less of a risk of getting injured. My knowledge of lifting and form helped my ass a lot too in knowing when I should and shouldn't be pushing myself
That's what people who talk about the fucking monsters in Crossfit always bring up. They're like, "Well, Richard Froning does Crossfit and he's huge!" As if that's from Crossfit. Dude is a genetic freak and could've done anything and looked like he does.

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Crossfit is adequate if your goal is to be "in shape." I say adequate because there are better, and cheaper, ways to do the same thing.

I have two issues with Crossfit though. One of them is the same issue I have with cardio for getting in shape. The other is related, and that's that it's not focused enough. Really these are the same issue, but I couldn't figure out a way to explain it otherwise.

So, why do I dislike cardio? There's no progressive resistance. You have your body weight and that's about it. You can increase your distance or the incline, but that's as far as you can go. Your body will quickly adapt to those and then you're done. At that point, it's basically just burning calories and wearing out your joints. Crossfit does have added resistance, but that brings me to the second point, which is that it's not focused enough.

The Crossfit WOD's are all over the damn place. Take a squat for example. Crossfit absolutely includes weighted squats, and that's great. The problem is that you may squat once every 2-3 weeks. That's not nearly enough to actually make any progress in it. Crossfitters will make SOME progress, but it's severely limited by the frequencies that they actually do things. Back to my first point, Crossfit suffers because it's more concerned with reps than it is progression. By that, I mean instead of setting goals for a workout of lifting a higher weight, it's almost always a goal of doing more, faster. For a beginner, you should be having linear progression. Time shouldn't make a difference.

That leads into the issue thateveryonehas with Crossfit in that it's dangerous. If your goal is just to do as many deadlifts as possible in a 5 minute period, your form will breakdown and you'll get hurt. Dumb.
Yeah the crazy ass non-consistant WODs always annoyed me when I had to crossfit. What the hell is the logic behind;

day 1 being max set up pull ups over and over until you cant do any more

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day 2 being 50 squads/pushups/pullups/burpies/dips

????
 

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Just a matter of time before I'm charging people to strap on my lawn mower and run around my yard
 

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Crossfit is this generations buns of steel DVD.

Just eat healthy and lift some fucking weights. The amount of retardation at "the box" and the people that are crossfit trainers is incredible. I've seen crossfit trainers that were overweight and probably obese. Why would you take something seriously when the people training you aren't even in shape?
 

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It's already been said at the start of this thread, but thought it was worth mentioning...

WTF won't people shut up about crossfit? I've had to hide multiple people on my FB because I don't give a shit about their WODs.
 

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As annoying as it is for everyone else, that's probably the strongest point of crossfit. Those who get into it seem to really get into it, which helps with motivation and to actually do their workout instead to procrastinate. Hate or love the crossfit routines, a workout that you actually do is better than one you skip.
 

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If you're currently going to the gym and go regularly, crossfit may be less useful. If you don't currently go to the gym and/or have motivation problems, crossfit might just be a godsend.

All this "if you want to do their wod, just do it in your own gym" is dumb. Motivation matters. Having people around you pushing you matters. They matter far more than anything else if your life doesn't currently involve consistent, intense exercise. It sounds stupid to pay all this $ for something like motivation, but, if it gets you into the gym, it's a better deal than a membership you don't use.

Also, everyone hating on crossfit probably has never used it. I haven't either, but I know some people who do that are in preposterously good shape and completely jacked.
 

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If you're currently going to the gym and go regularly, crossfit may be less useful. If you don't currently go to the gym and/or have motivation problems, crossfit might just be a godsend.

All this "if you want to do their wod, just do it in your own gym" is dumb. Motivation matters. Having people around you pushing you matters. They matter far more than anything else if your life doesn't currently involve consistent, intense exercise. It sounds stupid to pay all this $ for something like motivation, but, if it gets you into the gym, it's a better deal than a membership you don't use.

Also, everyone hating on crossfit probably has never used it. I haven't either, but I know some people who do that are in preposterously good shape and completely jacked.
Point on the motivation received. I find that the people I see coming out of the Crossfit at my gym, look to be the socially awkward type. So I can see this easily.

The good shape and jacked is BS though. If you dump that same time, effort and diet in a normal gym, with correct lifting and cardio, you will have much better results with less chance of injury. Just make a damn friend at the gym and save your self a couple hundred bucks (and injury) a year.
 

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A friend of mine used to brag about his pullup count around the climb gym, until one of the really strong guys finally called bullshit. Turns out, he was doing kipping pullups.
 

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Crossfit is good for bone strengthening as it has high impact. Wish I could say the same for cycling. Blah, lol.
Mountain biking. All of the constant impact you need or want. Plus you can decide to impact with trees and rocks for bonus points if you wish.
 

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I started working out at an xfit box because it's the cheapest access to platforms and bumpers. And thus my oly slob ass is there.
 

Gravel

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Rippetoe gets a bad rep lately, but this article is spot on. He explained my one point much better than I could. Excerpt from the "Bad" section below. It's a very, very well written article. It definitely gives a lot of positives. And Rippetoe was part of Crossfit a while back. Definitely recommend reading for anyone who talks about Crossfit, much less considers doing it.

CrossFit: The Good, Bad, and the Ugly

CrossFit - the program on the website and the methods taught at their "certs" - is Exercise, not Training. Exercise is physical activity for its own sake, a workout done for the effect it produces today, during the workout or right after you're through. Training is physical activity done with a longer-term goal in mind, the constituent workouts of which are specifically designed to produce that goal.

Exercise is fun today. Well, it may not be fun, but you've convinced yourself to do it today because you perceive that the effect you produce today is of benefit to you today. You "smashed" or "crushed" or "smoked" that workout... today. Same as the kids in front of the dumbbell rack at the gym catching an arm pump, the workout was about how it made you feel, good or bad, today.

In contrast, Training is about the process you undertake to generate a specific result later, maybe much later, the workouts of which are merely the constituents of the process. Training may even involve a light day that you perceive to be a waste of time if you only consider today.

CrossFit is a random exposure to a variety of different movements at different intensities, most of which are done for time, i.e. as many reps as possible in a stipulated time period or a stipulated number of reps done as fast as possible. As such, it is Exercise, not Training, since it is random, and Training requires that we plan what we are going to do to get ready for a specific task.

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For most people, exercise is perfectly adequate - it's certainly better than sitting on your ass. For people who perceive themselves as merely housewives, salesmen, or corporate execs, and for most personal training clients and pretty much everybody who can afford a CrossFit membership, exercise is fine. CrossFit sells itself by advertising the random part: random is not boring, and not-boring gets people to come back. Coming back while doing the diet at the same time gets you abs. CrossFit is largely about abs.

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But this active retainment of members actually using the gym creates a unique problem for CrossFit facilities that no one else in the standard fitness industry has to face: the post-novice trainee.

As you are obviously aware (since you have memorized my books), a novice trainee is one for whom recovery from each workout is possible within a very short timeframe - 48 hours or so. This is because untrained people are unadapted people, and for unadapted people anything that's harder than what they've been doing causes an adaptation.

This is why CrossFit works so well for the vast majority of the people that start it: for the first time, an exercise program causes them to experience rapid improvement... at first. Then the problem with CrossFit becomes obvious.

CrossFit is not Training. It is Exercise. And exercise -even poorly-programmed random flailing-around in the floor for time- causes progress to occur,for a while. For the novice, CrossFit Exercise mimics the effects of Training, because it's hard and because stress causes adaptation. Then, progress slows, since the Laws of Physiology cannot be ignored. The more you adapt to physical stress, the stronger and fitter you become. And the stronger and fitter you become, the more difficult it is to get more strong and more fit, because the easy part of the process has already occurred.

This is called the Principle of Diminishing Returns, and is evident throughout nature and your own experiences, if you have paid attention. Once the low-hanging fruit have been picked, you have to get a ladder, and then you might need a helicopter - and each increase in complexity yields less fruit, dammit.

And this is precisely where CrossFit: The Methodology falls apart. Once a person has adapted beyond the ability of random stress applied frequently under time constraints to cause further improvement, progress stalls. And increasing the intensity of the random stress doesn't work either - that just gets you hurt because you haven't gotten stronger, and your heart and lungs can only work at about 200 BPM and about 50 RPM.

Further progress must be based on an analysis of the adaptation you want to create, and a program of Training for the purpose of causing that adaptation to occur must be correctly designed and followed. Beyond a certain point, random physical stress fails to continue to elicit a favorable adaptation.

CrossFit appeals to many people because it claims to be about doing everything well and nothing perfectly. Humans cannot excel at everything, as evidenced by the individual performances within the Decathlon as compared to the specialists' performances in those events. But at some point, even people who don't want to excel at anything in particular realize they aren't really improving at anything in general. People motivated to get this far are also motivated to continue improving, and even if you want to be merely good at everything, there must be a way to continue to improve this general competence. "Mainsite CrossFit" cannot drive this improvement beyond a certain point.

This is precisely why the advanced athletes who win and place at the CrossFit Games do not use CrossFit website programming to achieve advanced levels of the strength and conditioning necessary to perform at that level. None of them. This is widely known and freely admitted by everyone not involved with the company. All athletes at advanced levels must Train intelligently to advance, and CrossFit: The Methodology doesn't do the job.
 

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So his argument is that it gets people in shape, but it doesn't make them superhuman? Crossfit sucks
 

Superhiro

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You must have read a different article.
Gets people in shape:

For most people, exercise is perfectly adequate - it's certainly better than sitting on your ass. For people who perceive themselves as merely housewives, salesmen, or corporate execs, and for most personal training clients and pretty much everybody who can afford a CrossFit membership, exercise is fine. CrossFit sells itself by advertising the random part: random is not boring, and not-boring gets people to come back. Coming back while doing the diet at the same time gets you abs. CrossFit is largely about abs.


Doesn't make them superhuman:

This is precisely why the advanced athletes who win and place at the CrossFit Games do not use CrossFit website programming to achieve advanced levels of the strength and conditioning necessary to perform at that level. None of them.


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