Crusader Kings 3

Im playing as a jogger king. Pretty awesome so far, I married a "0" years old spouse loooooool.

I made my neighbor promise me his yet born daughter.

You invoked the law of surprise?

haha. Pretty much. It hasn't worked out too well for me though.

Can't produce heir for ....a while. Its a beautiful African culture though, 11 years isn't that long after all.

This is on the XBox Gamepass.

I'm not sure I understand how succession works.

I was playing as Ireland and conquered 70% of the island, and then my king died.

Instead of inheriting all his claims, my heir got one. Is that normal? Why didn't he become king like his father was? I feel like I just did 2 hours of work for nothing.

Also, is there any point to creating duchies?

Campbell1oo4 said:

Instead of inheriting all his claims, my heir got one. Is that normal?

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Check your succession laws. You're probably under Gavelkind when what you're wanting is Primogeniture. Dunno how much things have changed since CK2 but that's a pretty basic one.

Campbell1oo4 said:

Also, is there any point to creating duchies?

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Pretty much the same advantages/disadvantages as creating a kingdom or empire, just on a much smaller scale. Gives you a claim on de jure counties you don't control and a title to pass down.

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Failed on 3 straight campaigns as jogger kings. Time to assume white privilege.

So I figured out how duchies work.

If you are a duke and you conquer another duchy, and then you die your son will get the primary duchy. But your younger son (if you have one) will get the second duchy.

Unless you have no second son. You can disinherit the bastards, but then they will hate you.

Or you could just gain the necessary prestige to change the law in your country, making it so your son will get all your titles when you die.

The point is, don't let your king die and your kingdom get separated. So fuckin' dumb.

Campbell1oo4 said:

The point is, don't let your king die and your kingdom get separated. So fuckin' dumb.

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yeah it's not like it's historically accurate for Europe to start with Gavelkind succession or anything.

So gameplay wise is there any reason to play this over CK2 at the moment? All that I've see so far that stands out is a skill tree, an ugly looking map and animated avatars.

Gavinmad said:

yeah it's not like it's historically accurate for Europe to start with Gavelkind succession or anything.

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You act like everyone knows that.

Anyway, my king died and instead of letting me play as his son... the prince... I became some random family member.

And then the son stripped me of my titles.

I really don't get how that happened. Aren't I playing as a lineage? Why did I suddenly become a second cousin? Even if he was elected as king, I should have become the prince who was not the king.

Campbell1oo4 said:

You act like everyone knows that.

Anyway, my king died and instead of letting me play as his son... the prince... I became some random family member.

And then the son stripped me of my titles.

I really don't get how that happened. Aren't I playing as a lineage? Why did I suddenly become a second cousin? Even if he was elected as king, I should have become the prince who was not the king.

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You need to examine the succession laws of your title, there are a variety of differences. For example:

Tanistry is a rare succession method available only to non-Muslim characters who are also either Celtic-cultured or have either the Blood of Brian or Blood of Niall 'of the Nine Hostages' bloodlines.

In Tanistry, the heir is chosen from the ruler's dynasty by a realm-wide election. It is safer but harder to control than feudal elective.

I'm sure that most of the succession laws in CK2 apply to CK3 so you could try the wiki if there isn't a CK3 one yet.

Campbell1oo4 said:

Aren't I playing as a lineage?

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Technically you're playing as a dynasty, not a lineage. The direct lineage of House Capet died out 1328 with the passing of Charles IV, but the Capetian dynasty continued to rule France through House Valois and House Bourbon all the way until the French Revolution.

Gask said:

In Tanistry, the heir is chosen from the ruler's dynasty by a realm-wide election. It is safer but harder to control than feudal elective.

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Yeah that is almost exactly what happened. Thanks for the heads up. I went and played as Bohemia, and found it so much easier.

Starting to think Ireland is actually just a trailer park. No infrastructure. No central authority.

Campbell1oo4 said:

Yeah that is almost exactly what happened. Thanks for the heads up. I went and played as Bohemia, and found it so much easier.

Starting to think Ireland is actually just a trailer park. No infrastructure. No central authority.

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Gavelkind is what destroyed the Carolingian dynasty. Hugh Capet started the tradition of having a son elected co-King in his own lifetime which is what eventually led to the tradition of primogeniture.