Poll Cures: How easy are they?

How hard?

  • Easier than trex

    Votes: 12 23.1%

  • Really Easy

    Votes: 1 1.9%

  • Easy

    Votes: 4 7.7%

  • Rockhard Weekend Hard

    Votes: 35 67.3%
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ZyyzYzzy

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@Tripamang thinks curing diseases is easy, but they aren't pursued because they are not profitable.

This poll will be representative of the entire scientific community and the results will show they are just out to kill people slow and painfully while sucking on the teet of the taxpayer.
 
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ZyyzYzzy said:
@Tripamang thinks curing diseases is easy, but they aren't pursued because they are not profitable.

This poll will be representative of the entire scientific community and the results will show they are just out to kill people slow and painfully while sucking on the teet of the taxpayer.
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It depends on the illness. Vaccines for certain things are easy but cancer and common cold stuff is hard because there is no magic bullet.

Fuck we have fucked HIV so hard we are going to use it to kill other viruses. Not even the gays can keep us down when we are wanting a disease dead. It took an outbreak to get a concentrated effort to get an Ebola vaccine out. Its just new and expensive.
 
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radditsu said:
People been making vaccines for a long time now. Some stuff is "easy".


I want to keep that answer but that first option is awakening things in me.
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Just because we have been creating vaccines for decades does not negate the fact that creatibg obe for a pathogen is no easy feat
 
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ZyyzYzzy said:
Just because we have been creating vaccines for decades does not negate the fact that creatibg obe for a pathogen is no easy feat
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Well there isn't an option for sometimes hard and sometimes harder. All I got is rock hard weekend hard and 3 versions of easy. One of them being about nailing trex
 
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On one hand there is nothing easy about curing diseases.

On the other hand there are many issues holding things back leaving vast room for potential improvement. You have pressure from both ends of the political spectrum eg homeopathic bullshit from the left or eg stem cell bans on the right. You have objective-based funding which can cause inefficient focus towards more potentially profitable diseases (eg effects far more people or would qualify for government subsidies), leaving many obscure diseases with lax effort their way. You have (however good they are) regulations to facilitate lower drug and product prices which result in many companies (notable pfizer) saying to hell with most R&D at all. You have a strong emphasis on success-based models for profit which means you either cure the disease, get a huge lucky break like with viagra's side effects, or you spend most of your life working long hours at a difficult job for little pay and less thanks.

The result in many cases becomes that brilliant minds can be stifled by having their efforts redirected, or curbed by heavy oversight, or used up due to lack of reward for their work, or, very often, just straight up pursuing some other more "rewarding" field of study rather than slaving away in the bullshit that is medicine. When your medical or pharma company sees far more money paid to its business admins and legal reps than to its R&D, where would an ambitious person go?
 
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When your medical or pharma company sees far more money paid to its business admins and legal reps than to its R&D, where would an ambitious person go?
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A startup. Really. Some, maybe a decent amount of pharmaceuticals or at least, the understanding that drives their development comes from small labs that are eventually gobbled up (for a nice payout) by the big players large scale production capabilties
 
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Tripamang is an imbecile who thinks that heroin is a "safe" drug. It's safe to say he's a dumbshit who should not be taken seriously.
 
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ZyyzYzzy said:
@Tripamang thinks curing diseases is easy, but they aren't pursued because they are not profitable.

This poll will be representative of the entire scientific community and the results will show they are just out to kill people slow and painfully while sucking on the teet of the taxpayer.
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I always love this conspiracy. It's definitely one of the dumber ones.

THE CURES ARE ALL OUT THERE, MAN!! You just need to wake up, sheeple.
 
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If this thread doesn't bring back Lumie, he may have truly lost his war against the Illuminati lizard people.
 
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Garlic! Garlic! Garlic!

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kegkilla said:
Tripamang is an imbecile who thinks that heroin is a "safe" drug. It's safe to say he's a dumbshit who should not be taken seriously.
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So is he is a Lumie, but his "cure" of choice is heroin instead of garlic?
 
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ZyyzYzzy said:
A startup. Really. Some, maybe a decent amount of pharmaceuticals or at least, the understanding that drives their development comes from small labs that are eventually gobbled up (for a nice payout) by the big players large scale production capabilties
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Three problems here. First, you need to research something with market viability. Second, your research needs to pan out in success; you won't do very well no matter how hard you advance the field just because you discovered all kinds of ways to rule out failures; discover something or bust. Third, even if you pull it off, the money is not a match for similar success in other fields. The bitter reality is a lot of brilliant people doing great work for little reward, and a lot of other brilliant people saying to hell with that noise. The safe jobs have a low ceiling (eg university research), the cushy jobs have high risk (R&D for big pharma), and the little guys are slaving away with far less chance than most realize that it'll actually pan out into a big score. If you are not actually driven at an ideological level to pursue that work, there's no point to it.

For my friend working on an ebola vaccine that meant trips to Liberia, then 12+ hour days and zero days off (experiments don't take holidays), and she's one of the absolutely lucky as fuck ones because ebola became THE disease and therefore they got stable funding - until all the hype she was floating side job offers in the inevitable possibility that they all got fucked.
 
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So is he is a Lumie, but his "cure" of choice is heroin instead of garlic?
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I have a pretty interesting story about Lumie that's worth sharing here. Years ago, probably around 2007/2008, I started getting chronically chapped lips. It wasn't a huge issue but it was a pain in the ass and I had to continually carry around chap stick. I remember at one point while he was going off on one of his health rants asking him what the cure was. He told me to start drinking apple cider vinegar and my problem would be solved. Of course I disregarded the advice as it sounded both retarded and disgusting. Over the years, however, I had seen 3-4 dermatologists none of which were able to do much about the issue. Fast forward to 2016, earlier in the year I began drinking apple cider vinegar once in a while because my digestion was shitty and I was tired of Hiroshimaing the toilet all the time. Well wouldn't you know, after about a month of drinking the shit every morning, the chronic dryness in my lips disappeared along with any digestive issues I had.

Lumie, crazy? Perhaps, but maybe not as crazy as we think.
 
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Three problems here. First, you need to research something with market viability. Second, your research needs to pan out in success; you won't do very well no matter how hard you advance the field just because you discovered all kinds of ways to rule out failures; discover something or bust. Third, even if you pull it off, the money is not a match for similar success in other fields. The bitter reality is a lot of brilliant people doing great work for little reward, and a lot of other brilliant people saying to hell with that noise. The safe jobs have a low ceiling (eg university research), the cushy jobs have high risk (R&D for big pharma), and the little guys are slaving away with far less chance than most realize that it'll actually pan out into a big score. If you are not actually driven at an ideological level to pursue that work, there's no point to it.

For my friend working on an ebola vaccine that meant trips to Liberia, then 12+ hour days and zero days off (experiments don't take holidays), and she's one of the absolutely lucky as fuck ones because ebola became THE disease and therefore they got stable funding - until all the hype she was floating side job offers in the inevitable possibility that they all got fucked.
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Everything you typed is the nature of research. Most of the time experiments don't "pan out" but that means there is nothing to be learned. Also, it can be dofficukt to perscribe "value" of basic research. Lab jobs and lab work pays shit in general sadly.

My group made all the diagnostic assays ysed by domestic public health labs and supported all the mobile labs in Africa during the outbreak. I made shit at that job. Not until I moved into program management and requirments did I start making good money
 
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I have a pretty interesting story about Lumie that's worth sharing here. Years ago, probably around 2007/2008, I started getting chronically chapped lips. It wasn't a huge issue but it was a pain in the ass and I had to continually carry around chap stick. I remember at one point while he was going off on one of his health rants asking him what the cure was. He told me to start drinking apple cider vinegar and my problem would be solved. Of course I disregarded the advice as it sounded both retarded and disgusting. Over the years, however, I had seen 3-4 dermatologists none of which were able to do much about the issue. Fast forward to 2016, earlier in the year I began drinking apple cider vinegar once in a while because my digestion was shitty and I was tired of Hiroshimaing the toilet all the time. Well wouldn't you know, after about a month of drinking the shit every morning, the chronic dryness in my lips disappeared along with any digestive issues I had.

Lumie, crazy? Perhaps, but maybe not as crazy as we think.
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Home remedies exist. But it is obscured by retarded circus monkeys out there trying to get their way selling snake oil
 
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kegkilla said:
I have a pretty interesting story about Lumie that's worth sharing here. Years ago, probably around 2007/2008, I started getting chronically chapped lips. It wasn't a huge issue but it was a pain in the ass and I had to continually carry around chap stick. I remember at one point while he was going off on one of his health rants asking him what the cure was. He told me to start drinking apple cider vinegar and my problem would be solved. Of course I disregarded the advice as it sounded both retarded and disgusting. Over the years, however, I had seen 3-4 dermatologists none of which were able to do much about the issue. Fast forward to 2016, earlier in the year I began drinking apple cider vinegar once in a while because my digestion was shitty and I was tired of Hiroshimaing the toilet all the time. Well wouldn't you know, after about a month of drinking the shit every morning, the chronic dryness in my lips disappeared along with any digestive issues I had.

Lumie, crazy? Perhaps, but maybe not as crazy as we think.
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Everyobe knows unfiltered apple cider vinegar is a panacea (homemade wine vinegar too)
 
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ZyyzYzzy said:
Everything you typed is the nature of research. Most of the time experiments don't "pan out" but that means there is nothing to be learned. Also, it can be dofficukt to perscribe "value" of basic research. Lab jobs and lab work pays shit in general sadly.

My group made all the diagnostic assays ysed by domestic public health labs and supported all the mobile labs in Africa during the outbreak. I made shit at that job. Not until I moved into program management and requirments did I start making good money
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Many experiments that don't pan out do offer something to learn, even if that's just "don't keep doing this" or the like. That stuff is often not published in the medical field, or worse, it gets buried and hidden as long as possible if it is found alongside a success. The "nature of research" is stifling potential for better progress. This is the opposite of a field like history which by nature tries to share as much as possible, publish as much as possible, and cooperation can be rewarded. Medical research is not very efficient in a macro sense. It could do a lot better if the nature of it was different. It could also do better if even more money was thrown at it.
 
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