Cyberpunk 2077

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jooka

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what was the reason why they couldn't use the witcher engine and had to build a new one for cyberpunk?


I think one of the big reasons was having to build the world vertically due to the nature of being a city
 

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I figure this game'll be ready for release roughly around the time I can actually get my hands on a graphics card, so the universe just works things out.
 
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what was the reason why they couldn't use the witcher engine and had to build a new one for cyberpunk?

They didn’t really though. Redengine 3 was used for Witcher 3, Redengine 4 for 2077. A lot of the times there are just some updated feature sets and tools modified between the two at best. Bethesda does the same thing and keeps calling all their engines new - while it’s all modified gamebryo at the heart of it anyway.

Really the main reason for the switch was for ray tracing support, taking into account 1st person, and lighting/illumination. But these were just modifications to RE3.
 
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That was a huge patch man. Not a nitpicker, but that seems like a TON of issues.
"It's an awesome game with a few minor bugs. None of the bugs are game breakers."

That has to be one of the most dishonest statements I have ever seen on this message board. And that is saying something.
 
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evaluating CDPR on cyberpunk sales is a bad way to estimate the future of CDPR. Cyberpunk was gonna sell well regardless of the quality of the game, the quality of the game as released will certainly have a negative value when talking about sales of future products. That's the reality they are dealing with now.
Yeah, while I don't regret buying the game, I'm certainly not going to pre-order their next release. I can't recall the last time I pre-ordered a game other than CP2077, and that was solely based off the Witcher 3.
 

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"It's an awesome game with a few minor bugs. None of the bugs are game breakers."

That has to be one of the most dishonest statements I have ever seen on this message board. And that is saying something.

you must be one of those nit pickers we were talking about.
 
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I mean aside from a few crashes on PS5 I didn't personally run into any major bugs. Consider myself lucky I guess. Doesn't mean that the world was way less than what I was expecting (IE: GTA5 levels of interactivity with the world aesthetics)
 
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I played on release. Had a blast. 140 hours. I ran into some visual bugs here and there(usually a floating object). I had to reload once from a bug(Car I needed to get in was under a pile of destroyed cars, so couldn't get in). Well worth the money, I had fun and plenty of hours of content.

As I said earlier , they should of focused on PC, then work on console after because obviously it was not ready for previous gen consoles. The fact they wouldn't demo it on those machines was a giant red flag and basically screwed over those console owners that ordered it, thus why they were doing refunds.


But this was far from a failed game, horror show or other hyperbole people attach to it(again at least on PC).
 
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The only major bug I’ve run into on PC is this current patch crashing me immediately
 

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you must be one of those nit pickers we were talking about.
No, I am one of those people that nearly 100% the game and took the time to give a full assessment of it. To say it has a few minor bugs and nothing game breaking is factually wrong. I crashed 25-30 times. I lost my dialogue sound for about 15 hours of my playthrough. I lost another 5-6 hours of progress having to go back and load prior saves multiple times because their quests completely crapped out, or my vehicles got completely stuck in a spot that would not allow me to exit.

If I wanted to nick pick, yeah I could call out some janky shit every 2-3 minutes or so, but I made an effort to look past it. I have been gaming my whole life and this game is the #1 contender for the most broken thing I have ever played... but yeah, "It's an awesome game with a few minor bugs. None of the bugs are game breakers." You'd have to be on the payroll or a stock holder to push this notion.

Honesty, a rare commodity these days.

I've been completely finished with the game for about a week now. Played it on Xbox Series X. Level 50, 50 Street Cred, level 20 skill in crafting, all gigs, side jobs, bought 60% of the vehicles, and Nomad/Panam ending. All in all, came in just under 80 hours played.

The game is good, but it is far from great. I definitely liked it enough to not even consider returning my copy.

The bugs, the crashes, the instability, and the overall excrement-show of a launch are well documented. A lot of that stuff pissed me off, but I am going to put all that aside and just try to focus on where the game stands from a feature, promise/delivery, scope, technical, and presentation standpoint.

Here is what is does Well:
  • Main Story: The story is pretty good. It could have gotten convoluted, but they kept the train on the tracks. It was just good futuristic fiction.
  • Combat: The combat system is really great. The weapons look and sound great. The guns have real impact. The melee weapons thump and slice. It is all really well done.
  • Controls: General controls and movement feels fluid and natural. Running, jumping, crouching... all of it feels great.
  • Characters: They created a world with good characters. Though, they really should not have killed Jackie so early. The sheer amount of good characters is something they should be commended for.
  • Voice: The Voice acting is varied and interesting.
  • Music: I wouldn't say the music was amazing, but there are 5 or 6 great tracks. I wish they would have leaned into techno-vibe more and the death-metal-vibe less. Best case scenario for me would have been the Bladerunner 2049 soundtrack.
  • Night City: Night City is well constructed. It feels like it could be a real, futuristic place. The bones of the city are just great... but what they fill it with is another matter.
  • Side Quests: These stories are awesome. The Gigs get formulaic and repetitive. More on that below.
  • "Magic System": Quick Hacks are a great stand-in for a magic system. It fits within the Cyberpunk world perfectly.
  • Stealth: The system also works well. They aren't pioneering anything new here, but they did a good job with it.
Things they did Poorly:

  • Three Life Paths: They matter for about 2 hours of your entire play-thru. It determines where you start and a handful of dialogue choices (which make no difference) along the way. Just one of countless game features that are present, but so under-cooked that you wonder why they ever bothered in the first place.
  • Game Vibe: That bombastic talk show host every time you loaded up the game was out of place and a poor copy-cat attempt at the GTA series take on social commentary. It was like they couldn't really decide was "Cyberpunk" was. The vibe and feel of the game is disjointed and tries to be everything to everyone.
  • NPC's: NPC's are embarrassingly under developed. Morrowind, almost 20 years ago, puts this game to shame. The clearly devoted zero time or effort to making the city populace be anything but automatons that walk down the sidewalk or drive in a straight line.
  • Traffic: The traffic system is copulateed. They spawn cars behind you, you turn look at them, then turn away, and they respawn/disappear. It is all 100% artificial.
  • Vehicles: All you get are Trucks, Cars, Motorcycles. That is it. And that is just for you. The NPCs don't even get motorcycles. There are train stations with no trains. You can't fly anything. There are no flavor vehicles like bikes or jet skis or any watercraft outside of a few huge cargo ships.
  • Police: This has to be one of the worst implementation of Police in any open-world game ever. They spawn on top of you, they stop pursuing you when you get 1 block out of range. It is like the developer's had to come up with a police system in less than a day because they were told their game was shipping whether it was ready or not. It is really embarrassing.
  • Water: There is one mission were you dive under the water and a couple events where you dive down to loot a stash. Just another game-system that is barely there.
  • Companions: Johnny is the only companion and he is only there to add flavor to the story. It would have been great to get your own crew or a side kick.
  • OP Weapons: No balance or correct scaling with the weapon system. Everyone gets to the point where you can one-shot every enemy. Prior to that, you have no way of telling enemy threat levels or whether you should engage them in a fight or not.
  • Play the Way You Want: They took the "play how you want to play" to an extreme level. To the extent that EVERY mission has way in the back door, a garbage dumpster to dump bodies in, a dialogue option avoid combat, a terminal to hack, a computer to switch off cameras... on and on and on. At some point, when you have EVERY option available to you, every mission is essentially the same, just with different flavor text. Gigs especially fell into this trap and turned into a lot of filler content.
  • Fixer's and Gigs: They came up with a solid formula, then copy/pasted it about 60 times. Break in, and upload virus/kill target/rescue target/steal data. Rinse, repeat. All the fixers are hallow and shallow. None of them are your friend or your foe. They just offer up the same lame missions and pay you for it.
  • Gangs & Districts: No ability to pick your allegiance and have the other factions hate you. Sure, all the various gangs existed, but they were just there add a bit of flavor and fill a stereotype. Why was there no faction rating that could go up or down with your actions? They should have had their own unique vendors that would only sell unique and rare items if you had faction with them.
  • Character Creator: Minor gripe for me personally, because I will often just use the generic pre-made character in RPG's, but character creation is pretty shallow. Why did we get to customize our dong's when you never see them? Beyond that, you can't alter your appearance, get a tattoo or a haircut after the fact. This is basic and standard stuff for RPG's these days. excrement it was basic and standard for RPG's a decade ago.

It will be interesting to read the news in the coming years about the development and launch of the game. I have a feeling that someone will spill the beans and pull the curtain back on what a clusterfuck of development this must have been. The game is passable most of the time and has some really good story moments, but when it comes down to it... it is average. It was still worth my $60, but they over-promised and severely under-delivered. They did not raise the bar in any aspect of the genre and were outshined by similar games that came out 5-10 years ago. Hard to believe that this was the same company that gave us Witcher 3.

I am hopeful that the DLC redeems them. If they could somehow come out with something on the level of Blood and Wine, I will sing their praises.

Score: 6.5/10
 
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mkopec

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See that was just not my experience with the game. I can only review the game the way I experienced it, like you did. 1-2 crashes, and 0 game breaking bugs. So lets just leave it at that. And BTW I was just kidding, busting your balls. I have no stake in this game or company nor do I give a shit. But I do want others to play this because IMO it was a good game, not second coming great life changing, but good. Good enough that I have good memories of the story and side quests, and thats saying something because most games are forgotten within hours. So they did something right.

Btw my PC i5 9600K 16GB 3200ram 1070.
 
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No, I am one of those people that nearly 100% the game and took the time to give a full assessment of it. To say it has a few minor bugs and nothing game breaking is factually wrong. I crashed 25-30 times. I lost my dialogue sound for about 15 hours of my playthrough. I lost another 5-6 hours of progress having to go back and load prior saves multiple times because their quests completely crapped out, or my vehicles got completely stuck in a spot that would not allow me to exit.

If I wanted to nick pick, yeah I could call out some janky excrement every 2-3 minutes or so, but I made an effort to look past it. I have been gaming my whole life and this game is the #1 contender for the most broken thing I have ever played... but yeah, "It's an awesome game with a few minor bugs. None of the bugs are game breakers." You'd have to be on the payroll or a stock holder to push this notion.

Honesty, a rare commodity these days.

I don't know anyone who's saying the bugs don't exist, but that they have spent many hours playing without experiencing any for themselves.

My game has never crashed and outside of 1 side quest that i couldn't get the good ending on I've only seen minor bugs consistent with a typical game.

You seem unhinged calling me and anyone with similar experiences lying for some sort of monetary gain
 
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So after the mega patch is it worth picking up? Consensus?
I still think the game is pretty terrible based on how poorly designed the police are. The city also is pretty empty for a "megatropolis", and the NPC AI for everyday behaviors is from the 2000's. Some of the quests and missions can be cool, but they honestly lack the depth they advertised because only one mission really provides different outcomes based on your choices. These are things that I don't think CDPR either plans to fix or would consider fixing.

The game can be fun, though, so if those things don't bother you, or you can ignore them, it's probably worth $20.
 
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I had 1 crash that restarted my computer, so I don't know if that was the game or something unstable in my system that hasn't shown up again. Game breaking bugs, maybe 1 that I reloaded from. Various glitches and silly NPC things that take you out of a scene, dozens.

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I think it's fair to say the experience on console vs PC was, and still is, significantly different.

Somewhat akin to playing Vanguard on a half decent PC vs the $2k+ gaming rig Brad suggested players should buy post launch on the Silky Venom forums.
 
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No, I am one of those people that nearly 100% the game and took the time to give a full assessment of it. To say it has a few minor bugs and nothing game breaking is factually wrong. I crashed 25-30 times. I lost my dialogue sound for about 15 hours of my playthrough. I lost another 5-6 hours of progress having to go back and load prior saves multiple times because their quests completely crapped out, or my vehicles got completely stuck in a spot that would not allow me to exit.

If I wanted to nick pick, yeah I could call out some janky shit every 2-3 minutes or so, but I made an effort to look past it. I have been gaming my whole life and this game is the #1 contender for the most broken thing I have ever played... but yeah, "It's an awesome game with a few minor bugs. None of the bugs are game breakers." You'd have to be on the payroll or a stock holder to push this notion.

Honesty, a rare commodity these days.

If you had 25 to 30 crashes, it means your PC is shit. Some being a cheap ass and upgrade your rig. Most people who aren't playing this game on a system from 2011 have had very few minor issues only. And if you're playing on a console, I don't even know what to say aside from the fact that consoles suck and you should be a man and buy a PC.
 
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Ps5 vs my man made being a man of rig of awesome manhood which is manly enough to run circles around mankind, Ps5 played the same and on a 65” Oled made all the difference. (Pc: 3700x, 32gb, m2 2tb, 2070 super at 1440p)
 

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I connected my rig to my 65” Sony and loved every second of it. If not for my Elite 2 controller crapping out, it would have a been a perfect experience. It’s the only game that has been worth moving things around in quite some time, and that level of hassle is definitely a point for consoles.
 

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i would've liked quests to have more depth, mean something and when they actually were going somewhere...

stops

like i'm sure we could all appreciate a 20 hour dlc on just the mayor/wife questline alone
 
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i would've liked quests to have more depth, mean something and when they actually were going somewhere...

stops

like i'm sure we could all appreciate a 20 hour dlc on just the mayor/wife questline alone
Blame that on people that bitched about Witcher 3 main story being too long. It is like they took quests out of the main story and made them side missions to cut the time down.