DC Universe (Batman vs Superman thread).

spronk

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Peacemaker and green lanterns is dead, new boss wants Christian friendly shows and movies.

I can't fault him but end of the day the weirdos are making better stuff, I don't enjoy angel studios stuff and trying to make comic book movies and shows in that template I don't see working. I haven't loved gunns stuff either though so I don't really care.

It's basically this
 

Goatface

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looked at a couple of christian guides to mcu/dcu movies, seems they were ok with everything except Doctor Strange and Thor.
 
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It's basically this


Which is oddly meta. With DC Comics we have

Crisis on Infinite Earths
Zero Hour: Crisis in Time
Infinite Crisis
Final Crisis
Dark Crisis on Infinite Earths

as major reboots with other softer reboots and not quite canon reboots a plenty throughout the years. DC just loves resets.
 

Cybsled

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looked at a couple of christian guides to mcu/dcu movies, seems they were ok with everything except Doctor Strange and Thor.

I get a big laugh out of that shit. I went to catholic school as a kid and we took a field trip and on the field trip we got to shop for like an hour and there was some Wiccan lady who had a shop. The teachers were flipping their shit that we were going into that store and asking the lady about charms and spells and stuff. One teacher seemed to be on the verge of tears that we were falling victim to Satan or whatever.

It was fucking dumb ass shit like that which turned me off to organized religion lol
 

Bald Brah

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Christian values have changed. It used to mean strong white male lead. Hot piece of ass heroine who wears skimpy clothes. Just one token black guy who doesn't do much or add to the story in any meaningful way. No gays.

Let's hope they get back to christian values.
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spronk

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Peacemaker s2 and green lanterns sucked though, both had decent starts but shit the bed with the endings. Peacemaker was all Gunn too. Nobody cares about animated shows, they have little impact on profit and akydance is desperate to generate cash to pay $120 billion in debt and only movies generate that kinda cash immediately.

Not making a batman movie right away was probably the biggest issue. It's a guaranteed billion dollar movie and delaying it to make supergirl and clayface is incredibly stupid in hindsight. The extenuating circumstance was that matt reeves batman ii shoulda been out by now but it got delayed so long. Still, it means Gunn is a poor studio lead, with zero billion movies in 5 years. Snyder is retarded but his dcu had multiple billion movies in the same 5 year span.

Anyways next superman movie is gonna bomb now probably because everyone knows this shit is getting rebooted... again.
 
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Again, they 'couldn't' make a DCU Batman since they already had the Matt Reeves Batman.

And those constant resets are why Gunn went with Superman in the first place - if you look at the classical Justice League lineups, they already had very recent Flash, Aquaman, and Wonder Woman movies (hell, even Hawkman was in Black Adam) - the last characters to get entries were Superman and Green Lantern, and look at who they went with first. (Martian Manhunter is too weird to count.)

A lot of chatter that Man of Tomorrow is very up in the air with the reset. Personally, I very much doubt it gets cancelled - WB spent too much money on it already, and Skydance both has to release too many movies AND likely doesn't have anything else they can slide into the prime summer release movie slot this quickly either.

That Gunn finishes it off, its not edited down to as few characters as possible if the greater DCU is dead, or that it gets any real promotional budget, are all very much in play.
 

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The more I think about, the more I'm sad about Gunn being let go. While I get the films weren't objectively great, I was pretty ok with the casting.. my only complaint was they didn't fold in bizarro instead, but it wasn't something that they couldn't have molded back in.

I was pretty stoked about him being interested in Swamp Thing and WildCATs, though through wildstorm/the authority.. with Clayface and Dr. Phosphorus, I feel as if the Batman we were going to get was gonna be pretty op starting out, but also I had hopes that Batman would have been introduced via Thanos or a slasher-type character against a series of villain led films(iirc correctly a bane or Deathstroke movie were theorized; but as long as we don't get henchman bane for the third time..) we generally know most everything about batman, the perspective of the city and villains is far more interesting and compelling imo.

Either way, a reset will more than likely tank dc even harder. On top of Christian values, while nothing inherently wrong.. it feels kinda pigeon holey when, honestly they need to stop trying to make a billion dollar movie and make the characters earn their place in that pantheon.. I thought Gunns initial approach to the whole "verse" conversation was smart, if it's mentioned it's canon.. I'm sure somewhere down the line convuloted but I'm sure you could tie things around pinnacle events.

But yeah, he's def a terrible project manager.. am a fan of his auteurism. It was weird, more risk oriented. Needle drops were spot on. I feel as if moving forward dc will be far more bleached and sterile.. which prob isn't bad for general audience, just don't think third time is the charm is the right bet.
 

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Nobody cares about animated shows, they have little impact on profit and akydance is desperate to generate cash to pay $120 billion in debt and only movies generate that kinda cash immediately.
but how else is his brother gonna get a paycheck?
 

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The more I think about, the more I'm sad about Gunn being let go. While I get the films weren't objectively great, I was pretty ok with the casting.. my only complaint was they didn't fold in bizarro instead, but it wasn't something that they couldn't have molded back in.

I was pretty stoked about him being interested in Swamp Thing and WildCATs, though through wildstorm/the authority.. with Clayface and Dr. Phosphorus, I feel as if the Batman we were going to get was gonna be pretty op starting out, but also I had hopes that Batman would have been introduced via Thanos or a slasher-type character against a series of villain led films(iirc correctly a bane or Deathstroke movie were theorized; but as long as we don't get henchman bane for the third time..) we generally know most everything about batman, the perspective of the city and villains is far more interesting and compelling imo.

Either way, a reset will more than likely tank dc even harder. On top of Christian values, while nothing inherently wrong.. it feels kinda pigeon holey when, honestly they need to stop trying to make a billion dollar movie and make the characters earn their place in that pantheon.. I thought Gunns initial approach to the whole "verse" conversation was smart, if it's mentioned it's canon.. I'm sure somewhere down the line convuloted but I'm sure you could tie things around pinnacle events.

But yeah, he's def a terrible project manager.. am a fan of his auteurism. It was weird, more risk oriented. Needle drops were spot on. I feel as if moving forward dc will be far more bleached and sterile.. which prob isn't bad for general audience, just don't think third time is the charm is the right bet.

To me sidelining Reeve's Batman wasn't worth Clayface and the next Superman. Also it probably wasn't worth sidelining slop in development like Constantine 2 (because Gunn was trying to figure out how to incorporate Constantine into his shared universe), as even that would probably be better than anything Gunn comes up with in his B spinoffs.

The door can't hit him on the ass fast enough from where I'm standing.
 
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