Diablo 4 / IV / IIII / Fore / Cope / Seethe

Chris said:

Path of Exile.

D3 plays nicer which is disappointing.

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d3 plays nicer once capped and in final gear. The leveling and gearing up to that point? Is just as painful and slow(combat wise, thankfully the pace of leveling is quick as fuck in that game and you are done in 1-3 hours). Will have to see how this one does once you are at the end game loops stage.

Cinge said:

The same time this forum turned into a bunch of edgelords that can't stand to see other people have fun in something they dislike. You hate it, move the fuck on already for those who enjoyed it. Grow the fuck up.

When playing a beta for yourself, having fun and deciding to buy said game for what it is atm(with no delusions on what it might become after), some how turns into "copium"(the new buzzword), or some fanboy circle jerk.

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I actually like the game.

Stop being so sensitive. You're turning into a reddit poster. The great thing about this forum is we can come here to shit on things objectively. Blizzard lost a lot of good will, a lot of people remain skeptical and rightfully so. I'm not going to let a few good hours kill my skepticism for this shit company. Even if you got rid of all the blue hairs they're still corpo #1 game company.

So please, keep posting what you like about the game. Keep having fun. But don't whine when people come here shitting on the game for whatever reason they have. Or at least don't whine and expect to not get made fun of.

Juvarisx said:

Hell I remember buying Final Fantasy 3 for SNES in Canada in 1993 and it was like $90 CDN

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Yep. Walked into WalMart in high school and was happily surprised to see FF3 was there. $79.99 before tax which was a shit load of money to me as a high schooler in the 90’s. In today’s money that’s like $150+. I don’t get the complaints about $70 games these days either.

Edit: to not derail; beta was fun. Barb sucked and was boring so I restarted at level 10 and went necro. So much more fun. Game is pretty and feels like Diablo, but for whatever reason it isn’t grabbing me. Guess I’m just getting old or something

Fucking lol, game is using 20gb VRAM. What is happening...

Talenvor said:

I don’t get the complaints about $70 games these days either.

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It's about the opportunity cost. There's never been more shit competing for your time and your money than right now and Blizzard wants a you to pony up quite a bit of both. That's a big ask.

They have to do something for barb and druid for the start. Maybe not so much barb as I hear it gets much smoother and quicker later(Even in the beta). But druid just felt bad the whole way(I tried werefolf, storm and wind versions). Necro felt broken, as my pets tanked and killed everything as I spammed my 3 bone spikes across the screen and barely used resources or more then 1 charge of health pot. Sorc felt more squishy but the dps was there at least. I didn't try rogue.

Otherwise I feel like release is just going to be all the ranged classes.

Tech is naturally deflationary anyway. The computers we're rocking today would be priceless in 1995 and small wars would be worth fighting over some of our phones.

Cinge said:

They have to do something for barb and druid for the start. Maybe not so much barb as I hear it gets much smoother and quicker later(Even in the beta). But druid just felt bad the whole way(I tried werefolf, storm and wind versions). Necro felt broken, as my pets tanked and killed everything as I spammed my 3 bone spikes across the screen and barely used resources or more then 1 charge of health pot. Sorc felt more squishy but the dps was there at least. I didn't try rogue.

Otherwise I feel like release is just going to be all the ranged classes.

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Asmongold was just dogpiled today for saying exactly as much, except he made it clear its a general melee problem. Druid sucks like this, barb sucks like that arguments aren't necessary. "Do this for Barb to make it suck less, do this for Druid". No. No hairs split.

This game has a melee problem. It's not class-specific. It's a melee issue. Whether that resolves with X Y Z build or what doohickeys you slap on your character is completely irrelevant. There is a problem with melee leaning toward fairly unfun to play. As Asmon said "It gets better later" from random chatters who don't have a clue isn't an excuse for poor gameplay in Act 1. Hopefully Blizzard is paying attention and tunes melee overall. I know rogue has some builds that are moderately fun and balanced, before anyone tries to dive in and use an exception to the general rule of melee in this game.

I'm just a spectator but watching people hop around testing the it looks like Barbarian and Druid are from an entirely different game. It's legit brutal watching Kripp swap from Necro or Sorc to Druid. Signing up to clear at 1/5th of the speed just can't be the play in an ARPG.

Leadsalad said:

Fucking lol, game is using 20gb VRAM. What is happening...

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Someone there doesn't know what the hell they're doing when it comes to RAM and VRAM. The game doesn't even give the option to set textures to High unless you have 32GB of RAM (even if you have a 24GB GPU, according to some reddit posts I saw). And if you do have 32GB RAM it will happily gobble up almost all of that too.

Best of all, the difference in image quality is damn near imperceptible when you do jump through their hoops to turn on the High textures you wasted an extra 40GB downloading.

Cinge said:

d3 plays nicer once capped and in final gear. The leveling and gearing up to that point? Is just as painful and slow(combat wise, thankfully the pace of leveling is quick as fuck in that game and you are done in 1-3 hours). Will have to see how this one does once you are at the end game loops stage.

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D4 endgame isn't going to turn your character into a Monk or give you the Crusader's horse. D3 just had a lot of mobility skills built into it which was the one thing everyone liked about it vs D2 and Path of Exile.

Diablo Immortal mostly being a D3 port with D4's network features makes it a better game in a lot of ways lmao.

Chris said:

D4 endgame isn't going to turn your character into a Monk or give you the Crusader's horse. D3 just had a lot of mobility skills built into it which was the one thing everyone liked about it vs D2 and Path of Exile.

Diablo Immortal mostly being a D3 port with D4's network features makes it a better game in a lot of ways lmao.

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Still the most balanced classes of all time in an ARPG from a PvP standpoint. There would have been bigger potential for that battle arena/Battleground D4 devs were exploring last year (that was cancelled) if it had the Immortal classes. No class was garbage, everyone was effective. Shame they spent that design on a cash grab. One of the few things they got right was scuttled.

In any case, I have to figure the D4 devs know that D4 has to deliver on a reason to keep coming back in order to be a true successor to D3.

They had to have drawn down and answered that as intelligently and creatively as possible.

The question I have is why isn't anyone allowed to talk about it from closed beta?

jayrebb said:

Still the most balanced classes of all time in an ARPG from a PvP standpoint. There would have been bigger potential for that battle arena/Battleground D4 devs were exploring last year (that was cancelled) if it had the Immortal classes. No class was garbage, everyone was effective. Shame they spent that design on a cash grab. One of the few things they got right was scuttled.

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Yeah all that stuff in Diablo Immortal was amazing. Feels like they produced two games each of which has half of the answer to what this game should be.

If they replace the stupid stumble dodge with class specific movement skills I think it would solve the feel of the game, add a circle to the skill tree with some choices.