DOTA 2

Trundle? Are you drunk? How is it anything like trundle, at all. Trundle skillset: Activate to increase damage on next attack and steal attack dmg from enemy, large ground aoe that increase move and attackspeed for trundle while standing in it, Raise a pillar that slows enemy around it and blocks them(kinda like tuskarr icicle shit) and ultimate is a debuff that steals damage/armor over time from the target.

Earth panda toolset: Can drop rocks all over the map to empower his other abilities but the rocks do nothing, can knockback enemy or rock in the facing direction for damage or silence, can roll towards a direction hitting first enemy on the way, can pull target ally closer or pull a rock to create a line stun, ultimate is an aoe dot that refreshes when targets run by a rock.

Like there is literally no skill that is even close to one another. Unless you meant looks as in, design wise, but it's the fucking earth panda from the panda split, like Storm spirit is the storm one and Xin is the fire one. It's a panda, trundle is a troll.

Both the new heroes are broken as fuck as will probably get nerfed into oblivion before they're even close to being ported. The panda will probably get scaling/number changes, his toolset is very strong but not insanely so, so it should be fine, the fact you can move both enemies and allies around makes him a super great teamfight hero however and he should be able to dominate mid fairly easily because his combo is basically guaranteed gank kills and very strong potential for solo kills too. The duration on the silence/stun, duration of the ultimate, aoe aspect and damage numbers are probably what is going to get nerfed.

The int hero ultimate is like the pinnacle of retardation however. It's a 9 secs buff that prevents all damage for the duration(similar to shadow grave but doesn't need to reach 1 hp, meaning you're not open to axe/AA counters) however it also doubles healing for the duration(so double healing from meka and double healing from his own super strong stacking 44/secs regen buff) meaning unless the enemy massively commits, you'll repop with full life at the end of the spell instead of low health like when shallow grave stops. Even if they commit they need a large amount of physical dmg to outdmg the healing because magical dmg will be entirely absorbed anyway by his 2nd skill(physical does 50% more though). Now this in itself is already a powerful ultimate, but that's not all. The mana cost is 100, the cooldown is 20(TWENTY) seconds, the range is 1500(50% more than highest rank of shallow grave, basically 1screen and a half away). But that's not all, for the cheap price of nothing, it also removes all negative debuffs from the target. What, is that all you ask? Well no my dear friend, for the entire duration it also provides Slark ultimate active to the target, making them invisible and not breaking on actions.

That's basically the single most overpowered ability in the game, maybe ever. It's like 2-3ultimates rolled into one. The low cooldown and high duration means the uptime is ridiculous and can be used for tons of purposes like initiating(invis) or healing up after fights(double healing) and basically the only viable counter is to purge it, you will absolutely require a purge to deal with it. Assuming it's purgeable I haven't checked, but should be. I guess that can be considered a fair balance point, but some of the shit in that ultimate simply needs to go, it is still way too good. The invis would be a good start, why does it even need to be slark invis anyway, why not just potm invis.

Edit: Scratch that, it can't be purged. Balance yo.

Dandai_sl said:

I honestly don't know how that ult even got out of closed testing. Maybe damage is applied before the healing so if you focus the ulted person they're going to die before they're healed? Of course you'd have no idea how much damage was "enough" to kill them until the effect was over...

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I actually haven't tested enough to figure out the order of the spell or if it's applied as a sum or what. The problem is yeah as you said you can't judge the damage you do at all, plus you have to take into account the regen from his other spell. Now mind you if you want to do that you need almost all your cooldowns and spam them only on one target(most likely your carry) so it's not always going to happen, but still it's pretty retarded. Just the fact that you get double meka power from it, and the synergy with other healing heroes. Have an abaddon or an omniknight on your team too? That's going to be like 1.5k healing during the ult... What boggles my mind is the invis on it, how was that even remotely needed.

Also his first spell seems either buggy or the description is very confusing. The purge that is applied based on the duration of the channel is a 100%movespeed reduction as far as I could tell. I was too lazy to check darkseer's surge/haste to see if you could still move, but without these you basically cannot move for 3secs if he does the full channel. That's pretty damn strong, since it's an aoe(albeit a very small one) and also nukes+purges.

Still I love the concept and once the ult is thoroughly nerfed I think he'll be a very fun hero, his spells synergizes in such a way that there will be a huge difference between a shitty oracle and a good one.